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12-14-2015, 11:42 AM | |
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Pete Rose ban from baseball remains in place
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...B&sf16975609=1
The lifetime ban of Major League Baseball career hits leader Pete Rose remains in place, as commissioner Rob Manfred has chosen to keep Rose's banishment in place for gambling on baseball. MLB said in a statement that Manfred contacted Rose on Monday to inform him of the decision. Rose and Manfred met in MLB's offices in Manhattan in September, and the commissioner had said he would make a decision on Rose by the end of 2015. Rose, who was banned from baseball in 1989 after the league's investigation into his gambling, applied for reinstatement for a second time in March. Manfred took over as MLB commissioner in January. For almost 15 years after being banned, Rose denied he bet on baseball. In 2004, he changed his tune, saying he did so only when managing the Cincinnati Reds. An Outside the Lines report earlier this year produced documentation from one of Rose's former associates that cataloged his bets in 1986, when he was still playing. Rose's attorney said at the time that his client wouldn't comment as he was in the process of reinstatement, and Rose has not commented on the matter since. Sources told Quinn it was extremely unlikely all along, even before the Outside the Lines report, that Rose would be reinstated. MLB officials had no sense that Rose had "reconfigured" his life. Rose passed Ty Cobb as career hits leader with No. 4,192 on Sept. 11, 1985, and he finished his career with 4,256 hits. Rose played for the Reds from 1963 to 1978 and 1984 to 1986, acting as both a player and a manager from 1984 to 1986 and continuing as just a manager until 1989. He first applied for reinstatement in September 1997 and met with then-commissioner Bud Selig in November 2002, but Selig never ruled on Rose's application. The continued punishment means Rose cannot be considered for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame. |
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12-24-2015, 03:29 PM | #121 | |
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I don't think this would have made him a top 100 player because of all of the reasons already discussed in this thread, but he would have been an easy Hall of Famer. |
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12-24-2015, 07:03 PM | #122 | |
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Yes, I see the difference. Except for Bonds, of course. If Ruth is a cheater then Bonds is also most definitely a cheater. Point stands that I did retract my statement made in overreaction and stated him as a top 100 player. Even though there are statistics to argue whatever you want, he was a very good player in his prime. Rose will forever be tainted by his final years - years of betting to go along with below average play. I have a question for more players than just Rose and wonder your opinion. Do you fault a player for playing too long and declining, or do you recognize how good he was for most of his career? An example would be Ken Griffey Jr, lets say, but I think he has the resume to be in the Hall anyhow. |
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12-24-2015, 10:30 PM | #123 | |
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1) Allowed him to break the hits record and amass some huge career numbers in multiple counting categories while at the same time 2) Making his averages (AVG, OBP, OPS, etc.) lower. He was a very good player, of course, but he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the true greats. |
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12-24-2015, 11:11 PM | #124 | |
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Pete without gambling is a clear first ballot HOF'er. |
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