Chiefs Week 9 BES Rankings: Chiefs 4th Overall...Panthers 28th - Page 2

**SAGA45** · 07:31 PM

LINK - http://besreport.com/week-9-bes-rankings-2016/

Interesting how the math spotted the Chiefs one up on Oakland despite the Raiders being first place in the division. Honestly didn't expect the system to give the Chiefs the edge due to head-to-head but it did. Quite a pleasant surprise. Means the revamp performed on the system this past offseason is working as intended. Good stuff!

Panthers may be 28th in these rankings but they are heating up, they've shown they can go on strong runs in the 2nd half of the season to secure a playoff berth. Let's just hope the Chiefs don't help their cause. Need some key guys healthy. Getting Houston back would be a big bonus.

**Anyong Bluth** · 11-10-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Even when you catch up in games played after this weekend it will still be the first place Raiders. Tied for first, but still first.

No, because KC beat Oakland

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-10-2016, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Can somebody, in 100 words or less, explain to me why Carolina is doing so poorly this year?

Because I am freaking out a bit over this game.

Shit secondary and pass defense. ..and most important turnover differential. They struggled early in that regard, but have been much better the last couple weeks. You guys really need to understand just how important that is.

NJChiefsFan · 11-10-2016, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Shit secondary and pass defense. ..and most important turnover differential. They struggled early in that regard, but have been much better the last couple weeks. You guys really need to understand just how important that is.

You keep inferring that people don't comprehend turnover differential. Maybe I am missing where the majority of the board is saying that.

The Panters D has improved a lot the past few weeks, as you mentioned. Hopefully that was as much about a poor LA team as anything else. I do think they are much more talented than their record states, and they play well at home.

**Anyong Bluth** · 11-10-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

You keep inferring that people don't comprehend turnover differential. Maybe I am missing where the majority of the board is saying that.

The Panters D has improved a lot the past few weeks, as you mentioned. Hopefully that was as much about a poor LA team as anything else. I do think they are much more talented than their record states, and they play well at home.

Record means nothing.

Panthers aren't the same team as at the start of the season, and trending more and more like the team of last year.

I don't know what to make of this game. Probably comes down to home team wins.

Simply Red · 11-10-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Can somebody, in 100 words or less, explain to me why Carolina is doing so poorly this year?

Because I am freaking out a bit over this game.

sure!!

we'll be fine.

Great Expectations · 11-10-2016, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Record means nothing.

Panthers aren't the same team as at the start of the season, and trending more and more like the team of last year.

I don't know what to make of this game. Probably comes down to home team wins.

That's how Vegas sees it, we will definitely need a push up the middle. When will Jones be full speed? Outside of Poe's last tackle he was still much better in the second half than Poe.

NJChiefsFan · 11-10-2016, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Record means nothing.

Panthers aren't the same team as at the start of the season, and trending more and more like the team of last year.

I don't know what to make of this game. Probably comes down to home team wins.

A 1-5 team that wins 2 straight and now plays the team that they are drawing inspiration and hope from. CAR has a tough schedule so I have my doubts, but I certainly have major concerns about us winning this game. I don't think our B level play will do it.

CAR can't afford to lose this game with their schedule and their record. They won't hand us anything on Sunday. We better be ready to take it.

**Anyong Bluth** · 11-10-2016, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

A 1-5 team that wins 2 straight and now plays the team that they are drawing inspiration and hope from. CAR has a tough schedule so I have my doubts, but I certainly have major concerns about us winning this game. I don't think our B level play will do it.

CAR can't afford to lose this game with their schedule and their record. They won't hand us anything on Sunday. We better be ready to take it.

It just sets up as one of those inevitable losses. A W on Sunday would be very impressive in my book.

NJChiefsFan · 11-10-2016, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

It just sets up as one of those inevitable losses. A W on Sunday would be very impressive in my book.

Agreed. If KC wins Sunday, they might cement the idea that they are the team to beat in the division, and for the 2nd seed.

There are a lot of AFC teams playing NFC teams this week. If KC wins and things go their way in other games, the path towards the playoffs and a good seed will look a lot cleaner.

**jjchieffan** · 11-10-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Can somebody, in 100 words or less, explain to me why Carolina is doing so poorly this year?

Because I am freaking out a bit over this game.

It's simple really. They just don't have their heart in it this year. They went out and played their tails off. Won the NFC Championship and winning the Suberbowl was in their grasp. Then the word came down from Goddell. Sorry boys. This is our golden boys last hurrah. He's going out with a ring. That killed their spirit and you can see it in their play this season. They all are just going through the motions. That's what being forced to throw a championship can do to a team. I feel bad for them. They deserved the right to play for a championship.

King_Chief_Fan · 11-10-2016, 07:25 PM

More rankings nonsense

Chiefshrink · 11-10-2016, 07:57 PM

These rankings don't mean a thing. Do you really believe the Chiefs are the 4th best and do you really believe the Panthers are as bad as 28 ?

Mr. Laz · 11-10-2016, 08:00 PM

So wait, the chiefs with the shittiest quarterback in NFL history are better than Carolina with their MVP Stud QB?

How is that possible?

Maybe Caroline should replace their QB with Nick Foles.

**SAGA45** · 11-11-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

These rankings don't mean a thing. Do you really believe the Chiefs are the 4th best and do you really believe the Panthers are as bad as 28 ?

The system crunches the numbers, spits out the results. I've actually been able to incorporate and quantify some intangible factors (come from behind wins, home loss to weaker team in the same division, etc) ...but obviously not all.

So looking at the Panthers the last two weeks there's a valid argument they could be ranked higher but the system still holds them accountable for when they played horribly. Let's not forget they lost three straight games within the division (remember those intangibles mentioned above) heading into their bye week at 1-5.

The fact they are 3-5 and the Chiefs 6-2 on a 4-game streak definitely impacts the rankings. Record isn't everything but it is a factor in how the BES system calculates, especially when teams string together wins (i.e the Cowboys at No. 1) or losses (Eagles at No. 24).

Personally, I don't like this matchup for the Chiefs, especially it being on the road. Then again, the Chiefs have the best offense the Panthers have faced since their bye week. Cards and Rams...putrid offenses. But hey...no amount of data or intuition can predict an outcome with 100% certainty. The variables are infinite.

**SAGA45** · 11-13-2016, 03:23 PM

Chiefs fought back and got the win! Love it!

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