Kareem Hunt...nonexistent

[RunKC]

What the hell happened to this guy?

Last 4 games:

58 carries
191 rush yards
3.3 YPC

Hasn't scored a TD in 6 games

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yep. Fans love to use hindsight... You never heard any complaints about Sutton after that Steelers playoff loss. It was all Alex Smith's fault. The defense/Sutton was great all season and carried the team was all I heard before the season started this year. Now the defense sucks and Sutton needs to be fired halfway into the season...

Got to love it.

Any competitive results are based on adjustments (or lack there of...)
Video games, Football, LIFE, etc...

If you don't adjust to your opponents, they will adjust to you... making you a loser with excuses.

It's ****ing simple dude. Sutton doesn't adjust.
Alex Smith is just shitty at his job.

[Hydrae]

I have been wondering if some of this may be related to trying extend Hunt's stamina later into the season in an attempt to keep him from the "rookie wall".

But then again, it could just be Andy and his lack of ability to properly use a stud RB (see Charles the last few years under Andy).

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

I have been wondering if some of this may be related to trying extend Hunt's stamina later into the season in an attempt to keep him from the "rookie wall".

But then again, it could just be Andy and his lack of ability to properly use a stud RB (see Charles the last few years under Andy).

nope it is purely for the fact that teams are selling out to stop the run because defenses don't respect Alex

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

I have been wondering if some of this may be related to trying extend Hunt's stamina later into the season in an attempt to keep him from the "rookie wall".

But then again, it could just be Andy and his lack of ability to properly use a stud RB (see Charles the last few years under Andy).

Alex is the type of low risk QB that needs to see his WR's break like 5 yards of being open before he will grab his nuts and throw the ball. (Keep in mind that Alex has been masquerading as a legitimate QB for years due to his LOW INT ratio and riding good defenses coattails). Yes, the 49ers defense was great. Yes, the Chiefs were living off extremely lucky and opportunistic take-aways the last few seasons.

With a team rushing 4 and playing cover 2, Alex will feel phantom pressure and has a bad habit of leaving the pocket. When he does this, his eyes are no longer looking downfield and this is why you see SO MANY gifs of WIDE OPEN Receivers and Alex not even looking near them.

If Alex could have more poise in the pocket, giving these WR's enough time to reach their destination, he may see more success throwing down field.

That said; even with shitty pocket presence, there are still opportunities for a QB to succeed.

Alex leaving the pocket premature still could be an advantage by using his legs to manipulate those zone coverage players into stepping up while the QB tosses it to a WR who is now left uncovered. Alex was doing this the first few games of this season, but for some reason has quit keeping his eyes down field (something Mahomes excels in).

Now, coming back to the quoted text about the run game:

Alex's limitations in the passing game severely cramp the running game because that is the main focus of the opponents defense. Any team that has watched the Chiefs struggle on film knows that you take away the run, study the trick play formations, and force Alex Smith to beat you deep (which he cannot).

I know, I know... real life is not Madden.... but what happens in Madden when you pick a running play, and no matter how awesome your RB is, he still gets creamed in the backfield because the defense knew the predictable play call and picked the perfect defense for it?
This is what is happening to Hunt.

He runs hard and sheds a lot of tackles, but he can't make 4-5 guys miss right as he gets the ball. Only Barry Sanders was good enough to do that.

Hunt has NOT hit a "Rookie wall" <-- one of the dumbest things people say.
It's simply that the opponents have figured out a way to stop the Chiefs offense (thanks Steelers) and the Chiefs cannot adjust due to the limitations of Alex Smith.


Ok, nobody will read that or care... but I feel better now.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Alex is the type of low risk QB that needs to see his WR's break like 5 yards of being open before he will grab his nuts and throw the ball. (Keep in mind that Alex has been masquerading as a legitimate QB for years due to his LOW INT ratio and riding good defenses coattails). Yes, the 49ers defense was great. Yes, the Chiefs were living off extremely lucky and opportunistic take-aways the last few seasons.

With a team rushing 4 and playing cover 2, Alex will feel phantom pressure and has a bad habit of leaving the pocket. When he does this, his eyes are no longer looking downfield and this is why you see SO MANY gifs of WIDE OPEN Receivers and Alex not even looking near them.

If Alex could have more poise in the pocket, giving these WR's enough time to reach their destination, he may see more success throwing down field.

That said; even with shitty pocket presence, there are still opportunities for a QB to succeed.

Alex leaving the pocket premature still could be an advantage by using his legs to manipulate those zone coverage players into stepping up while the QB tosses it to a WR who is now left uncovered. Alex was doing this the first few games of this season, but for some reason has quit keeping his eyes down field (something Mahomes excels in).

Now, coming back to the quoted text about the run game:

Alex's limitations in the passing game severely cramp the running game because that is the main focus of the opponents defense. Any team that has watched the Chiefs struggle on film knows that you take away the run, study the trick play formations, and force Alex Smith to beat you deep (which he cannot).

I know, I know... real life is not Madden.... but what happens in Madden when you pick a running play, and no matter how awesome your RB is, he still gets creamed in the backfield because the defense knew the predictable play call and picked the perfect defense for it?
This is what is happening to Hunt.

He runs hard and sheds a lot of tackles, but he can't make 4-5 guys miss right as he gets the ball. Only Barry Sanders was good enough to do that.

Hunt has NOT hit a "Rookie wall" <-- one of the dumbest things people say.
It's simply that the opponents have figured out a way to stop the Chiefs offense (thanks Steelers) and the Chiefs cannot adjust due to the limitations of Alex Smith.


Ok, nobody will read that or care... but I feel better now.

Thanks for the detailed response (yes, I did read it all!). My point was really more to the low number of running plays that are getting called in general. Hunt was looking pretty good Sunday and they should have fed him the ball much more. He was averaging over 4 YPC and has shown that he, like most RBs, gets stronger as the game goes on. Running him a few more times in the 4th would have provided positive results IMO.

[T-post Tom]

Grunny on 810 had an interesting take. Said the Chiefs are running out of the shotgun too much. He said that if Smith lined up under center more often, the play action fake would slow down opposing defenses and the box wouldn't be stacked as much. Said that the Chiefs aren't fooling anyone when they hand off out of the shotgun. Especially that wrap around hand off. Makes sense. Anyone know what percent of plays have been shotgun vs under center? Haven't seen that stat on any of the free websites.

(BTW, the Giants obviously scouted the shuffle pass to Kelce. Glad he wasn't injured/killed on that play. They need to put that one back on the shelf for a few games.)

[KranzDictum]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Grunny on 810 had an interesting take. Said the Chiefs are running out of the shotgun too much. He said that if Smith lined up under center more often, the play action fake would slow down opposing defenses and the box wouldn't be stacked as much. Said that the Chiefs aren't fooling anyone when they hand off out of the shotgun. Especially that wrap around hand off. Makes sense. Anyone know what percent of plays have been shotgun vs under center? Haven't seen that stat on any of the free websites.

(BTW, the Giants obviously scouted the shuffle pass to Kelce. Glad he wasn't injured/killed on that play. They need to put that one back on the shelf for a few games.)

The Shovel is a gimmick that comes out every 10 years then goes away when teams practice defending it. It didn't help that the Gin'ts were looking for him to run it at the goal line, might have worked early in a drive at the other end of the field but teams know it is coming in the redzone.

If I were Andy I would stop trying the gimmick WR/TE throws. Both times they have tried to run those they have been INT's.

Andy is going to have to go back to his LOS YAC O and try to get Fake Gronk in the seam a couple times a game for chunks.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by KranzDictum

The Shovel is a gimmick that comes out every 10 years then goes away when teams practice defending it. It didn't help that the Gin'ts were looking for him to run it at the goal line, might have worked early in a drive at the other end of the field but teams know it is coming in the redzone.

If I were Andy I would stop trying the gimmick WR/TE throws. Both times they have tried to run those they have been INT's.

Andy is going to have to go back to his LOS YAC O and try to get Fake Gronk in the seam a couple times a game for chunks.

Agree with those thoughts. I would include throwing over the top to Hill. He's frequently open. Maybe throw some help to the LT on those plays. Fake Gronk. LOL.