Chiefs Potential cuts at DL. - Page 4

Direckshun · 02-25-2019, 12:16 PM

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Chris Meck · 02-26-2019, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

Well done for understanding the concept of sunk costs, seems to be lost on some. I think if you designated Houston as post June 1 then the cap saving is actually $15.5m, so it's practically the same cost to keep either one.

not really, though.

total cost to keep Houston: $21 million.

total coast to cut Houston and keep Ford: $24 million-ish.

You can only keep one.

'sunk cost' is only sunk if you move on from Houston. Just chalking it up as a loss as if it happens in a vaccuum is wrong. So, to keep Ford but cut Houston costs $24 million dollars.

To keep Houston, but tag and trade Ford costs you $21 million plus I suppose whatever you have to pay the high pick you get from the Ford Trade, so it's possible that overall you are at about the same place, financially, although it will be for two players, not one.

See what I mean?

Chargem · 02-26-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

not really, though.

total cost to keep Houston: $21 million.

total coast to cut Houston and keep Ford: $24 million-ish.

You can only keep one.

'sunk cost' is only sunk if you move on from Houston. Just chalking it up as a loss as if it happens in a vaccuum is wrong. So, to keep Ford but cut Houston costs $24 million dollars.

To keep Houston, but tag and trade Ford costs you $21 million plus I suppose whatever you have to pay the high pick you get from the Ford Trade, so it's possible that overall you are at about the same place, financially, although it will be for two players, not one.

See what I mean?

I don't understand, you're not disagreeing with the $7m being a sunk cost at any point in your analysis. The point is making the decision on the cost in the future, not the cost in the past.

The decision on keeping Houston is a $14m one. You have to spend $14m more to keep in him 2019. The first $7m is gone whether he stays or goes.

The decision on keeping Ford is a $15.7m one. You have to spend $15.7m to keep him in 2019 (short of some kind of LTC).

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	Potential cuts at DL. Defensive tackles: Spoiler! Malik Jackson, Jaguars Cap Saved: $11M; Cash Saved: $13M; Dead Money: $4M Jackson saw his role diminish as the year went on finish the year with 61% playtime and just 10 starts. Jackson finished with his lowest sack total since 2014 and tackles and tackles for loss since 2012. Jaguars are starving for cap space and this should be a place they can find it. I wouldn’t expect Jackson to be a free agent for long if he is cut unless he has outrageous contract demands. Corey Liuget, Chargers Cap Saved: $8M; Cash Saved: $8M; Dead Money: $1.5M Liuget took a pretty major pay cut to keep his roster spot last year but appeared in just 6 games due to his suspension and then a torn quad which put him on IR. Technically this will be a declined option and the decision date I believe is February 12. Timmy Jernigan, Eagles Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $11M; Dead Money: $6M Jernigan missed most of last season with a non football injury that was serious enough that he agreed to waive his future guarantees in order to keep his spot last year. This was always a very bullish type of contract and given the Eagles cap situation Jernigan should be a prime candidate for release or at the very least a reduced contract. Marcel Dareus, Jaguars Cap Saved: $10.59M; Cash Saved: $10.59M; Dead Money: $0 One of the all time great players contracts of all time Dareus has basically cashed in at elite interior pass rusher levels despite really not standing out as a rusher. Dareus actually played well for the Jaguars as a run stopper but even elite level run stoppers earn closer to $6 or 7M. I wouldn’t eliminate a new deal for less money but the Jaguars need to save money here. Stacy McGee, Redskins Cap Saved: $2.28M; Cash Saved: $4M; Dead Money: $2.4M The Redskins signed McGee in 2017 to a pretty surprising $5 million per year contract. Last year he began the season on the PUP list and finished with 9 tackles and 1 sack in 8 games. It isn’t a lot of cap savings but every little bit should help for Washington. Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $13M; Cash Saved: $13M; Dead Money: $0 This has been rumored since seasons end so I am including him here even though McCoy is still a really good player. Moving him seems to be more about saving money than anything else. With three years left on his contract at around $13M per year McCoy should have trade value if the Bucs are patient and wait for a bit. Hes a shade older than Geno Atkins and Jurrell Casey but Id think a new deal would fall between those two and they are over $15M a year so a trade makes sense. Edge rushers: Spoiler! Olivier Vernon, Giants Cap Saved: $11.5M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $8M Vernon was the biggest signing in the Giants 2016 spending spree and hasn’t been healthy enough to really justify the contract. Vernon is still a capable player and will likely land a $10 million a year type contract when released, but it makes more sense for the Giants to move on and allow him to get a fresh start elsewhere rather than try to bring his salary down for the season. William Gholston, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $3.75M; Cash Saved: $3.75M; Dead Money: $0 Not sure what the Bucs expected out of Gholston when they signed him but Im sure it was more than 40% playtime, 1 sack, and 5 tackles for loss in two seasons. Vinny Curry, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $8M; Cash Saved: $8M; Dead Money: $0 Curry signing with the Bucs last season at this price was one of the more surprising moves. Outside of one season the sack production has never been there with Curry and really his best time is when he is playing far less snaps. You don’t pay $8 million for someone who is probably a 30% playtime, 3 sack player, especially if you are a team that needs to create cap space. Andre Branch, Dolphins Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $7M; Dead Money: $2M This contract was a bit of a stretch the minute it was signed and a classic example of putting far too much stock in one season. Branch played in less than 50% of the snaps last year and finished with just 1.5 sacks. Robert Quinn, Dolphins Cap Saved: $12.9M; Cash Saved: $12.9M; Dead Money: $0 If Miami is serious about taking a step back this year then Quinn should not be in their plans. Quinn has tailed off from his peak years as a pass rusher but can still be effective as a starter, but he probably doesn’t have trade value at this salary unless a team is able to reach terms on an extension. Justin Houston, Chiefs Cap Saved: $14M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $7.1M Even though Houston has not produced at an elite level after signing this contract this was a pretty solid deal, all things considered. Houston is similar to Vernon in that there are injury considerations here, a massive cap figure, and over priced salary while also having a market if cut. Unlike with Vernon where the sides are probably better apart I think here the sides agree on a new contract that brings Houston’s cap and cash number down by a few million.
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