AV calcs are out: is Mitchell Schwartz best FA signing in NFL history?

[Prison Bitch]

ProFootballReference.com has an “AV” value assigned to every player in history. Scale 0-26, with the highest ever being Ladanian Tomlinson 2006. It was matched this year. The top 10:

Approximate Value
1. Lamar Jackson • BAL 26
2. Stephon Gilmore • NWE 21
Marcus Peters • 2TM 21
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick • 2TM 20
5. Ronnie Stanley • BAL 19
Tre'Davious White • BUF 19
7. Cameron Heyward • PIT 18
Michael Thomas • NOR 18
9. Dont'a Hightower • NWE 17
Patrick Mahomes • KAN 17
Ryan Ramczyk • NOR 17
10 (tie) Mitchell Schwartz * KAN 16

Yes our old friend Peters is 2 (tie). Sir Patrick led the league last year at 22. And if he played 16 games he’d be AV 19. But let’s talk Schwartz.



Mitch The Bitch signed a 5/$33m FA contract after four years with the Cleveland Clowns. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...cash-earnings/


His AV by year, Chiefs in bold:
7
5
6
6
10
14
20!
16


Last year he was the #2 most valuable player in AV behind Sir Pat. I don’t know how to evaluate OL but if this is close to accurate he’s the best FA signing ever and an unsung hero of the offense and keeping Sir Pat healthy.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Mama Hip Rockets

3rd round pick? Man, what a steal.

Yea, who would give up a third rounder for an old dude, wasn't he trying to come back from knee and/or back problems?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

So this is what I keep coming back to if you decide to go a different direction.

There's a chance you end up with....what....Lucas Niang playing LT? I mean, that could happen, right?

I mean there's a chance Lucas Niang could be playing LT in 2 weeks.

But no, I don't think there's a reasonable chance he's any sort of reasonably likely plan for the position.

If it's not OBJ, I'd say the most likely outcome is Jawaan Taylor. I know the Jags could tag him and they really don't have anybody else to use the tag on that I can see, but unless Cam Robinson is really messed up (torn meniscus isn't typically that serious), I can't see them moving on from him. And Walker Little showed promise after they used a 2nd rounder on him.

Maybe they tag/retain Taylor for a year as insurance against Robinson's injury and Walker's progression, but I could see them trying to reallocate that money to weaker areas as they try to really put a strong grip on a soft AFC South.

[Prison Bitch]

Lot depends on what Pat thinks. If he wants him back he will be back

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Lot depends on what Pat thinks. If he wants him back he will be back

Yeah, I suspect that will make a big difference.

I do wonder, however, if/how any of those conversations were had ahead of the Tyreek Hill trade.

I mean, do we think Mahomes didn't want Hill around anymore? Or do you think the coaching staff sold him on their 'new' vision to combat the Fangio shit and that they didn't need Hill to do so?

I see all these things about Pat 'leaving money on the table' to take care of Jones or Kelce and now maybe OBJ and yet....we traded Hill?

Hmmm....

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I suspect that will make a big difference.

I do wonder, however, if/how any of those conversations were had ahead of the Tyreek Hill trade.

I mean, do we think Mahomes didn't want Hill around anymore? Or do you think the coaching staff sold him on their 'new' vision to combat the Fangio shit and that they didn't need Hill to do so?

I see all these things about Pat 'leaving money on the table' to take care of Jones or Kelce and now maybe OBJ and yet....we traded Hill?

Hmmm....

I think the unspoken thing goes....unspoken here. I'd imagine Pat was.....well you know.

Otherwise we'd have heard about it.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I suspect that will make a big difference.

I do wonder, however, if/how any of those conversations were had ahead of the Tyreek Hill trade.

I mean, do we think Mahomes didn't want Hill around anymore? Or do you think the coaching staff sold him on their 'new' vision to combat the Fangio shit and that they didn't need Hill to do so?

I see all these things about Pat 'leaving money on the table' to take care of Jones or Kelce and now maybe OBJ and yet....we traded Hill?

Hmmm....

But Jones dad said so!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think the unspoken thing goes....unspoken here. I'd imagine Pat was.....well you know.

Otherwise we'd have heard about it.

Pat's a company man - happy with the decision or not, he'd support it.

I had a conversation with my director the first time I brought her into a 'big boy meeting' and I said "Okay, the trade off you're going to make here is that if you want to be here and have some influence on the decisions that are made, regardless of WHAT that decision ends up being, its yours as well as anyone else in that room. If you can't walk out of this room in support of whatever decision was made, regardless of whether you agree with it, you don't walk in to this room..."

To me that's always been a fair trade. You're not entitled to be a dictator so if you have an opportunity to influence the decision, you got to say your piece and now you support whatever direction the group chooses to go.

Pat strikes me as someone that sees the world through a similar lens. If he's INVOLVED in the decision, he'll back it even if he disagrees with it. Contrast that to some prick like Aaron Rodgers who, if you don't involve him, will pitch a bitch about it. And if you DO involve him and then don't do what he wants, he'll go out there and tell everyone and their mother how awful he thought the idea was.

You can't have people in leadership like that.

Pat's just so ****ing dreamy, man. That guy does EVERYTHING right.

[Sassy Squatch]

I've kind of been wondering if we didn't finger the wrong man who had an altercation with Mahomes during halftime in the AFCCG last year. Hill has been an uncharacteristically mouthy little **** ever since he left and even during the game he was being pretty cantankerous. Got after Hardman pretty bad as well iirc.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I suspect that will make a big difference.

I do wonder, however, if/how any of those conversations were had ahead of the Tyreek Hill trade.

I mean, do we think Mahomes didn't want Hill around anymore? Or do you think the coaching staff sold him on their 'new' vision to combat the Fangio shit and that they didn't need Hill to do so?

I see all these things about Pat 'leaving money on the table' to take care of Jones or Kelce and now maybe OBJ and yet....we traded Hill?

Hmmm....

Pat was definitely consulted on Ty and likely went along with the front office narrative. I’d suspect Reid was very positive that they could replace Ty and shape new or more quick hitch type stuff, screens et al.

Having said that if he threw a tantrum he’d have gotten his way. As veach says “anything for Pat”

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Lamar in 15 games just threw 3,100 yds 36-6 TD-INT 113 rating with 1200 yards rushing. His team went 14-2. How can that not be one of (if not the) most productive years in history?

its hard to analyze that season vs a 4400 passing yard season but the 1200 yard rushing season is more rare and probably valuable in some ways because of the problems it creates for the defense at least for a single given season


BUT


running QB's that much doesnt seem sustainable as anything other than a single season gimmick or maybe a run of a couple seasons , historically (kapernick, vick, cunningham, slash etc) due to injury and defenses spy/monster