Football Yelling at the referees - benefit or drawback? - Page 2

**Rain Man** · 01:36 PM

The thread about best coaches for some reason got me thinking about sideline demeanor.

I like that Andy doesn't yell at referees. Assuming that they haven't been bribed by Robert Kraft, referees are trying to do their job, and they're part of the football ecosystem. In the Super Bowl, Andy was minding his own business and the Rat's child was throwing tantrums, and it made me really glad to be a Chiefs fan.

However, it got me wondering about the most effective strategy. If I'm a ref, I'm going to like Andy a lot more. But the old saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is often true.

What's the best strategy on handling the officials if you're a head coach? Should you more or less ignore them like Andy does, and occasionally educate them on the rules when they're wrong? Should you violently argue every single call? Does it make any difference, because an NFL official is immune to outside influence?

seclark · 05-06-2020, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Dude...

Making it even more difficult was we were an out of town team playing in their league. Yelling at those kids whose brothers were on the teams we were playing against wasn't going to help at all.

What really ground my gears was the fact that out of 18 kids no one would coach a team and I had a right hand in a cast. But I agreed to coach a team, ended up coaching BOTH teams and then they had the ball to show up and act like assholes.

They would show up to about every third practice and try to get involved and I put an end to that really quick.

coached my twin sons team for 6 years before i quit and let someone else take over. then my wife started coaching the daughters softball team and had me help w/that. i made 4 games and this one girl wouldn't stop w/this, "my dad says we need to do this," and "my dad says we need to do that". **** it...i was done. let her dad put up w/that shit.
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**SAUTO** · 05-06-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Generally this was the case with me when coaching my son's team last season. Except during the end of season tourney... The team we were playing was getting physical, using stiff arms, etc (all not allowed) so I brought that call the refs over at halftime to discuss it. First play of the second half my son is coming up to pull a flag, the worst offender on the other team literally puts a right cross on his cheek/eye. No call. I am close to losing it at this point, ref says he didn't see it. Again, I tell him what is happening and "would you keep an eye on it?" 2-3 plays later it happens again, no call. The parents are losing it, the kids are a losing it. I bring both refs over again showing them the already bruised face. Their response, "how do I know that isn't a sun burn?"

It was pretty absurd.

Yeah, our championship game was terrible.

One of my teams (out of towners) was undefeated and playing their team who was also undefeated and hasn't lost a game in a couple years. First they pulled a ref from another small town and put in a ref from their town who had a little brother on the team. I knew we were probably ****ed right then.
We had 5 players depantsed in the first half and if those parents hadn't been acting like such assholes I probably would have ended up blowing my top.

**SAUTO** · 05-06-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by seclark

coached my twin sons team for 6 years before i quit and let someone else take over. then my wife started coaching the daughters softball team and had me help w/that. i made 4 games and this one girl wouldn't stop w/this, "my dad says we need to do this," and "my dad says we need to do that". **** it...i was done. let her dad put up w/that shit.
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the good thing about my guys was I think they realized their dads were douchebags

Monticore · 05-06-2020, 02:52 PM

My sons hockey coach (age -12) argues or complains after every call and it is even worse when his kid (he's an idiot) gets one even though he deserved them, he calls the ref over to the bench repeatedly and eventually the calls get worse for us, never better. It is also extremely embarrassing as a parent and assume for the kids.

mililo4cpa · 05-06-2020, 02:56 PM

I like Andy's style, and would try to mimic it in some fashion. He seems to take the approach that "what's done is done, let's move on to a play for the down / distance"....I like that. In reality, the call isn't going to change, so why dwell on it. Call the best play you have for the new down / distance, and focus on what's happening next.

I also think that, instead of arguing, I'd be asking the official what they saw on the play. So, instead of arguing, you're trying to understand why something did, or did not get called. But either way, I think the refs probably understand that you weren't happy with how that turned around, but in a more productive way...

For instance: A PI call you thought should have been made against the other team could sound something like this: "Hey ref, I thought I saw their guy their early, what did you see....", and let the ref explain their side. At the end of the day, the call wasn't made, won't change, but without pissing anyone off, you got your point across, and also allowed them the opportunity to respond as well.....

Of course, all of that is easier said than done, because I constantly yell at the refs while watching!

**Easy 6** · 05-06-2020, 02:58 PM

I generally like Reids approach, he only gets real fired up on super close/ticky tack stuff... hollering at the refs as a general practice seems counter-productive

But that's for the coach, with Mahomes I'm all in favor of him urgently but politely arguing a call/non call because all QB's do it

**SAUTO** · 05-06-2020, 02:59 PM

I liked that in flag you're on the field with the team and coaches. Made it easy to make the point but keep it low key

ChiefBlueCFC · 05-06-2020, 03:01 PM

If you build a rapport with an official and treat them with respect then you can sometimes get the benefit of doubt and can even point out penalties occurring against you. But if you berate and admonish officials then they're may ignore your calls for penalties on the other team.

I bet Andy says a lot more to officials that we don't see, but he isn't blowing his top and probably does a lot of his communication prior to the game. But Andy also isn't a hot head and is usually pretty damn level throughout games.

Treating people with respect is always the best route to take.

Ubeja Vontell · 05-06-2020, 03:04 PM

Just once I'd love to see some ref knock a big mouth coach on his ass. Surprised we haven't seen that by now.

eDave · 05-06-2020, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mililo4cpa

I like Andy's style, and would try to mimic it in some fashion. He seems to take the approach that "what's done is done, let's move on to a play for the down / distance"....I like that. In reality, the call isn't going to change, so why dwell on it. Call the best play you have for the new down / distance, and focus on what's happening next.

I also think that, instead of arguing, I'd be asking the official what they saw on the play. So, instead of arguing, you're trying to understand why something did, or did not get called. But either way, I think the refs probably understand that you weren't happy with how that turned around, but in a more productive way...

For instance: A PI call you thought should have been made against the other team could sound something like this: "Hey ref, I thought I saw their guy their early, what did you see....", and let the ref explain their side. At the end of the day, the call wasn't made, won't change, but without pissing anyone off, you got your point across, and also allowed them the opportunity to respond as well.....

Of course, all of that is easier said than done, because I constantly yell at the refs while watching!

He remembers though. See the LA game. He got some digs in on that game well after it was over.

JakeF · 05-06-2020, 07:40 PM

Some coaches know how to work the refs. They are nice to them, they yell at them. They know just what to do to push them into giving their team a slight edge when it comes to penalties. It also depends on how respected the coach, how good the team.

Just like in other sports, the winners get a bit of an edge.

The Michael Jordan rule etc

In baseball, the great pitchers get the strikes and balls.
In basketball, the great players get foul calls.
In football, the great teams get the 50/50 calls.

View Poll Results: What's the best overall strategy on dealing with NFL officials? (4-part question.)
**** Part 1 - On calls against your team...	0	0%
You should strongly argue all calls.	3	13.64%
You should politely point out the error on all calls.	6	27.27%
You should strongly argue all close calls only.	4	18.18%
You should politely point out the error on close calls only.	6	27.27%
You should ignore officials at all times.	4	18.18%
**** Part 2 - On calls against the other team...	0	0%
You should give loud compliments on all calls.	3	13.64%
You should give out loud compliments on close calls only.	0	0%
You should politely acknowledge all calls.	5	22.73%
You should politely acknowledge close calls only.	3	13.64%
You should ignore officials at all times.	10	45.45%
**** Part 3 - On replays and officials conferences where you don't know the outcome.	0	0%
You should strongly argue your position.	2	9.09%
You should politely point out your position.	12	54.55%
You should ignore officials at all times.	6	27.27%
**** Part 4 - Before the game...	0	0%
You should bribe or blackmail the officials if possible.	7	31.82%
You should ignore the officials before the game, too.	14	63.64%
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05-06-2020, 01:20 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-632449 VARSITY	Yelling at the referees - benefit or drawback? The thread about best coaches for some reason got me thinking about sideline demeanor. I like that Andy doesn't yell at referees. Assuming that they haven't been bribed by Robert Kraft, referees are trying to do their job, and they're part of the football ecosystem. In the Super Bowl, Andy was minding his own business and the Rat's child was throwing tantrums, and it made me really glad to be a Chiefs fan. However, it got me wondering about the most effective strategy. If I'm a ref, I'm going to like Andy a lot more. But the old saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is often true. What's the best strategy on handling the officials if you're a head coach? Should you more or less ignore them like Andy does, and occasionally educate them on the rules when they're wrong? Should you violently argue every single call? Does it make any difference, because an NFL official is immune to outside influence? Last edited by Rain Man; 05-06-2020 at 01:36 PM..
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05-06-2020, 02:52 PM	#19
Monticore I love your mom Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Sturgeon Falls, Ontario Casino cash: $-995043	My sons hockey coach (age -12) argues or complains after every call and it is even worse when his kid (he's an idiot) gets one even though he deserved them, he calls the ref over to the bench repeatedly and eventually the calls get worse for us, never better. It is also extremely embarrassing as a parent and assume for the kids.
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05-06-2020, 02:56 PM	#20
mililo4cpa Veteran Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Orlando, FL Casino cash: $-229600	I like Andy's style, and would try to mimic it in some fashion. He seems to take the approach that "what's done is done, let's move on to a play for the down / distance"....I like that. In reality, the call isn't going to change, so why dwell on it. Call the best play you have for the new down / distance, and focus on what's happening next. I also think that, instead of arguing, I'd be asking the official what they saw on the play. So, instead of arguing, you're trying to understand why something did, or did not get called. But either way, I think the refs probably understand that you weren't happy with how that turned around, but in a more productive way... For instance: A PI call you thought should have been made against the other team could sound something like this: "Hey ref, I thought I saw their guy their early, what did you see....", and let the ref explain their side. At the end of the day, the call wasn't made, won't change, but without pissing anyone off, you got your point across, and also allowed them the opportunity to respond as well..... Of course, all of that is easier said than done, because I constantly yell at the refs while watching!
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05-06-2020, 02:58 PM	#21
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-132225	I generally like Reids approach, he only gets real fired up on super close/ticky tack stuff... hollering at the refs as a general practice seems counter-productive But that's for the coach, with Mahomes I'm all in favor of him urgently but politely arguing a call/non call because all QB's do it
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05-06-2020, 02:59 PM	#22
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	I liked that in flag you're on the field with the team and coaches. Made it easy to make the point but keep it low key
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05-06-2020, 03:01 PM	#23
ChiefBlueCFC Veteran Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: KCMO BABY Casino cash: $7940410	If you build a rapport with an official and treat them with respect then you can sometimes get the benefit of doubt and can even point out penalties occurring against you. But if you berate and admonish officials then they're may ignore your calls for penalties on the other team. I bet Andy says a lot more to officials that we don't see, but he isn't blowing his top and probably does a lot of his communication prior to the game. But Andy also isn't a hot head and is usually pretty damn level throughout games. Treating people with respect is always the best route to take. __________________ WE FIRED BOB SUTTON
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05-06-2020, 03:04 PM	#24
Ubeja Vontell Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: central Cali Casino cash: $10010413	Just once I'd love to see some ref knock a big mouth coach on his ass. Surprised we haven't seen that by now.
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05-06-2020, 07:40 PM	#26
JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	Some coaches know how to work the refs. They are nice to them, they yell at them. They know just what to do to push them into giving their team a slight edge when it comes to penalties. It also depends on how respected the coach, how good the team. Just like in other sports, the winners get a bit of an edge. The Michael Jordan rule etc In baseball, the great pitchers get the strikes and balls. In basketball, the great players get foul calls. In football, the great teams get the 50/50 calls.
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