Al Davis vs. the NFL 30-for-30 on ESPN

[Ocotillo]

It's starting at 8 p.m. CST.

[backinblack]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Al Davis has to roll in his grave to watch what his once proud franchise has become.

Irrelevant

why, they were already that for most of the last two decades of his life, and that period between the Super Bowl loss in '03 and his death in '11 are probably the worst years of the team. The Raiders being average at best(except for the period between 99-03) from the mid 80s on was entirely his fault too, he was the one who wanted Marcus Allen gone, he was the one who traded Gruden who proceeded to win the SB against the Raiders the next year, he's the one who pushed to draft JaMarcus. Franchise is arguably in better shape now that the old man is gone, though I have pretty much zero faith in Mark.

[D.A.P.]

3rd and 48.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by backinblack

why, they were already that for most of the last two decades of his life, and that period between the Super Bowl loss in '03 and his death in '11 are probably the worst years of the team. The Raiders being average at best(except for the period between 99-03) from the mid 80s on was entirely his fault too, he was the one who wanted Marcus Allen gone, he was the one who traded Gruden who proceeded to win the SB against the Raiders the next year, he's the one who pushed to draft JaMarcus. Franchise is arguably in better shape now that the old man is gone, though I have pretty much zero faith in Mark.

It just goes to show how hard it is to win in this league. AL said something in the 30-for-30 that basically went "even the team that loses the SB is considered a loser and is not remembered." AL got old and the ran the franchise into the ground. He did have many years of dominance though.

This was good info on how the commissioner went against an owner and how they both feuded. The NFL having a juror in their pocket was interesting.

Originally Posted by D.A.P.

3rd and 48.

3rd and 44? for the Chiefs recently. It happens.