Chiefs A positive light to shine on this underwhelming free agency. - Page 3

Direckshun · 03-22-2021, 07:46 AM

First off, I think it's safe to assume that we're going to make mid-level signings at WR (TY Hilton please?), LT (Russell Okung please?), and DE (Ingram, I suppose?).

I am also going to make the modest assumption that we sign back Reiter and Breeland/Sorensen, although obviously Breeland is a question mark.

At that point, this roster, pre-draft:

QB: Mahomes
RB: CEH, Williams

WR: Hill, Hilton?, Hardman, Pringle
TE: Kelce, Bell, Keizer

LT: Okung?
LG: Thuney
C: Reiter
RG: LDT/Long
RT: Niang/Remmers

DE: Clark, Charlton
DT: Jones, Wharton
DT: Nnadi, Saunders
DE: Ingram?, Danna

LB: Gay
LB: Hitchens

CB: Sneed, Ward, Williams, Fenton, eventually Baker
S: Mathieu, Thornhill, Sorensen?, Watt

Keep in mind, this is before the draft.

So here's the positive light: the Bills, Patriots and Browns have closed the gap some, but who in the AFC is taking down this roster?

Probably nobody? Probably?

And taking a look at the top teams in the NFC this past year: the Bucs and the Packers have not made any dramatic additions, and the Saints have taken a huge step back.

I think it's clear the Bucs were the better team in the Super Bowl. But do the Bucs win that game if Mahomes had all ten toes? If his offensive line hadn't been in shambles? If two receivers hadn't let TD passes hit them in the face? If the refs hadn't lost their damn minds in the first half? If Andy Reid wasn't absolutely distracted?

Barring surprising developments like Herbert going nuclear in Los Angeles or Tua making a huge 2nd year leap or Cam staying healthy for 16 17 games, the Chiefs are more likely to return to the Super Bowl than any other team in the NFL, and if our roster is pretty healthy and Mahomes is 100%, I like our odds as much as anybody.

This all despite a sucky free agency that hasn't netted us any real improvements except at guard.

Skyy God · 03-22-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

We have $21mil on cap space, 9th in the league.

Sure, but we have plenty of holes to fill.

LT, C, WR2, CB2-3, etc.

crispystl · 03-22-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Oh, I think Gay will be more than solid. I think he's going to be a star. With that much athletic ability, he's either going to be a star, or too stupid to figure it out but I doubt 'solid' is the end result.

Me too. That guy was flashing off the screen when he played.

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TEX · 03-22-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Okung is a must sign at this point...but I can see Veach valuing Villanueva over him because of reliability.

And I hope that he does, if that's the choice.

crispystl · 03-22-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You do understand that the other guys get paid to do their jobs too, right?

If you had an expectation that Veach was just going to fleece everyone then you were in a wrong place to begin with.

And those guys make a ton of money to do it and spend hours upon hours working on it. I mean some of them are going to accomplish their jobs.

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oldman · 03-22-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Sure, but we have plenty of holes to fill.

LT, C, WR2, CB2-3, etc.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Breeland and Reiter back at bargin prices. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fisher back mid-October. Nobody is going to pay Watkins a boatload of cash based in his injury history, so even he may be back.

htismaqe · 03-22-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Okung is a must sign at this point...but I can see Veach valuing Villanueva over him because of reliability.

I'd probably take Villanueva for the reliability factor too. I just hope he can return to form as a pass blocker.

**Baby Lee** · 03-22-2021, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You do understand that the other guys get paid to do their jobs too, right?

If you had an expectation that Veach was just going to fleece everyone then you were in a wrong place to begin with.

This is kind of silly. I did not demand miracles. I did not gladhand previous deficits on the makeshift O-line. I even said in the post you quoted that 'I'm not doom and gloom.'

But judging by the narrative here when our O-line assets were dropped right before free agency, . . . it KINDA seemed like this WAS the place if you 'had an expectation that Veech was just gonna fleece everyone.'

I mean I get that everyone is hyperbolic when they're nervous, but the difference between the murderous glee before the fact and the 'sober realism' after the fact is kind of glaring.

htismaqe · 03-22-2021, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This is kind of silly. I did not demand miracles. I did not gladhand previous deficits on the makeshift O-line. I even said in the post you quoted that 'I'm not doom and gloom.'

But judging by the narrative here when our O-line assets were dropped right before free agency, . . . it KINDA seemed like this WAS the place if you 'had an expectation that Veech was just gonna fleece everyone.'

I mean I get that everyone is hyperbolic when they're nervous, but the difference between the murderous glee before the fact and the 'sober realism' after the fact is kind of glaring.

A lot of people here wanted Fisher AND Schwartz cut and were heavily invested in it happening.

I got shit on then for trying to remain "realistic" about it and then guess what?

The Chiefs cut both of them.

Many people here were ecstatic. Until they realized that the Chiefs aren't going to hit on every single milestone of their plan. Now we're sitting here without a LT and people are like "oh shit".

Um, yeah. It's CP. It's been like this for 20 years.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-22-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I mean, I sympathize, because this offseason has pissed me off too.

You can only ask Mahomes to restructure so many times realistically, same with Kelce and Jones. And you're asking them to do that this offseason to bring in a stud guard and a bunch of midlevel signings who weren't even the best midlevel signings available?

At the same time, though, we are still the best team in the AFC, and so long as we can get the roster and Mahomes to the Super Bowl in good health, I like our chances.

Why would this offseason have pissed off anyone at this point? WTF is going on here?

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 03-22-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Breeland and Reiter back at bargin prices. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fisher back mid-October. Nobody is going to pay Watkins a boatload of cash based in his injury history, so even he may be back.

Watkins is meeting with the Ravens tomorrow

staylor26 · 03-22-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why would this offseason have pissed off anyone at this point? WTF is going on here?

Because we didn’t get everything THEY wanted and we’ve become a very entitled fan base.

And this place has always been prone to knee jerk reactions (see GDTs), so instead of waiting to see the full picture, they have to start bitching right now when the offseason is far from over.

rabblerouser · 03-22-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

As long as they draft well, I like where the roster is at. They'll get better in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I'm sure that's their biggest priority. They'll grab more WRs and CBs. We'll be good.

Yeah, I'm not really worried about speed/outside guys - it's all about the trenches, and Veach has addressed a GLARING need at protecting PMII on the inside of the line.

rabblerouser · 03-22-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Watkins is meeting with the Ravens tomorrow

Then we should resign him and trade him to the Cardinals like the Raiders did Hudson after supposedly releasing him.

**** the Ravens.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 03-22-2021, 02:53 PM

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Fixed it.

oldman · 03-22-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Watkins is meeting with the Ravens tomorrow

Meeting is not signing and if the Ravens give him anything close to what we we gave him, I'll laugh.

03-22-2021, 07:46 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	A positive light to shine on this underwhelming free agency. First off, I think it's safe to assume that we're going to make mid-level signings at WR (TY Hilton please?), LT (Russell Okung please?), and DE (Ingram, I suppose?). I am also going to make the modest assumption that we sign back Reiter and Breeland/Sorensen, although obviously Breeland is a question mark. At that point, this roster, pre-draft: QB: Mahomes RB: CEH, Williams WR: Hill, Hilton?, Hardman, Pringle TE: Kelce, Bell, Keizer LT: Okung? LG: Thuney C: Reiter RG: LDT/Long RT: Niang/Remmers DE: Clark, Charlton DT: Jones, Wharton DT: Nnadi, Saunders DE: Ingram?, Danna LB: Gay LB: Hitchens CB: Sneed, Ward, Williams, Fenton, eventually Baker S: Mathieu, Thornhill, Sorensen?, Watt Keep in mind, this is before the draft. So here's the positive light: the Bills, Patriots and Browns have closed the gap some, but who in the AFC is taking down this roster? Probably nobody? Probably? And taking a look at the top teams in the NFC this past year: the Bucs and the Packers have not made any dramatic additions, and the Saints have taken a huge step back. I think it's clear the Bucs were the better team in the Super Bowl. But do the Bucs win that game if Mahomes had all ten toes? If his offensive line hadn't been in shambles? If two receivers hadn't let TD passes hit them in the face? If the refs hadn't lost their damn minds in the first half? If Andy Reid wasn't absolutely distracted? Barring surprising developments like Herbert going nuclear in Los Angeles or Tua making a huge 2nd year leap or Cam staying healthy for 16 17 games, the Chiefs are more likely to return to the Super Bowl than any other team in the NFL, and if our roster is pretty healthy and Mahomes is 100%, I like our odds as much as anybody. This all despite a sucky free agency that hasn't netted us any real improvements except at guard.
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