Trade Mock - Pissed or Glee?

[kccrow]

Okay, this one is going for the gusto. Do I imagine Veach would be this aggressive? Perhaps not, but he's been pretty aggressive in the past between trading for players and moving up in the draft.

Here you go, roast away.

1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State
Trade 1.29, 2023 1st, 2023 4th to Houston for 1.13
1.21 | Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
Trade 1.30, 2.62, 7.233 to New England for 1.21, 4.127
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia
3.70 | Bryan Cook, SS, Cincinnati
Trade 3.94, 4.121, 2023 5th to Jacksonville for 3.70
3.82 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
Trade 3.103, 4.135 to Atlanta for 3.82
4.127 | Alontae Taylor, CB, Tennessee
7.243 | Tyler Goodson, RB/WR, Iowa
7.251 | Damone Clark, LB, LSU
7.259 | Quandre Mosely, CB, Kentucky

Projected 53:

QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne, S. Buechele
RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, R. Jones II, D. Gore
FB: M. Burton
TE: T. Kelce, B. Bell, N. Gray, J. Fortson
WR: J. Smith-Schuster, M. Valdes-Scantling, M. Hardman, G. Pickens, J. Gordon, J. Watson
OL: O. Brown Jr, J. Thuney, C. Humphrey, T. Smith, A. Wylie, G. Christian, N. Allegretti, A. Reiter, R. Johnson
DE: F. Clark, J. Johnson II, S. Williams, M. Danna, J. Kaindoh
DT: C. Jones, D. Wyatt, D. Nnadi, T. Wharton, K. Saunders
LB: W. Gay Jr, N. Bolton, J. Carter, E. Lee
CB: L. Sneed, R. Fenton, D. Baker, L. Barcoo, A. Taylor
DB: J. Reid, B. Cook, J. Thornhill, D. Bush, Z. Anderson
ST: H. Butker, T. Townsend, J. Winchester
IR/PUP: OT L. Niang, LB D. Clark
WR T. Goodson and CB Q. Mosely to PS

[Stryker]

Ok, check this from Crow's picks - THIS is what you want our defense to be! If you want to stand still (I was an advocate of that - guilty) and wait for the draft to come to US the best are going to be gone. Reconsider Crow's aggressiveness...









I love it!

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

The thing I don't like about Johnson I've noticed in alot of his tape is he looks kinda stiff in the hips

Irrelevant - that can be coached - he is 6' 5" 245 lbs! He is a force to be reconned with.

[Urc Burry]

I like this more than trading down. I know we have spots to fill, but we don’t have that many roster spots to fill. Only way I’m trading down is if we get some relatively high picks next year.

I was looking at the trade value chart. And packaging our 2 seconds alone gets us to around pick 27. Something to consider

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

The thing I don't like about Johnson I've noticed in alot of his tape is he looks kinda stiff in the hips

Almost every edge in this class is a bit on the stiff side. The two off the top of my head that aren't are Thibodeaux and Ebiketie. You have to get down into some shitties later on that have serious strength issues before you find more IMO. Ebiketie just doesn't fit KC's scheme very well and Thibodeaux I can't imagine falls out of the top 5.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I hear you. I'm equally torn and doing the mock was an exercise to let go of my conditioning to be more reserved.

Here's what I think
1) Despite everyone's hopes and dreams, you're not getting any of the top 5 pass rushers unless you're trading up into the teens or better. I just don't feel it's remotely even within the realm of hope to think teams are going to pass on these guys and they drop to the late 20s because there are far too many teams that need them.

2) The dropoff between that tier of DEs and the next tier of DEs is monumental. That's not to say I'm not high on Cam Thomas and Sam Williams because I am, but they are much rawer. Beyond those guys, I see even more raw or non-schematic fits. At that point, you're not getting an immediate return on investment and the Chiefs desperately need it.

3) There are a few DTs I'd be happy with. I fully expect Veach is going to go up for Wyatt but if he doesn't I'd love to see Travis Jones in play for one of the picks. I think Jones is right there in terms of ability. Maybe he's not as explosive as a pass rusher but he would be a significant upgrade over Nnadi at NT. I do think they are looking at Wyatt to replace Jones eventually if I'm being honest.

4) If we're not moving up for an ER, I'm not overly enamored with any WR to trade up and, like DE, one of those top 4 isn't falling to 29/30. I don't like Burks enough to spend a 1st and I think it's a reach to take any of Skyy Moore, George Pickens, Christian Watson, or Jahan Dotson in the first. I'm EXTREMELY enamored with Jalen Tolbert though. I don't see him going in 1 either, I think he could be there at 50 and it's more about the level of competition. When I look at his athletic profile, his routes, his hands, and so on, it compares really favorably to some really good WRs throughout recent history and those are Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, Stefon Diggs, and Jeremy Maclin. If I'm going to reach for a WR in round 1, he's the guy I'd do it for. I don't just think he's going to be good, I think he's going to be special. After him, it's Pickens for me.

So if we're not moving up, I just don't see DE or WR being in play at 29/30 in terms of actual value. I think they have more value at 50 and 62. There might be value at DT. I'd actually think the value will end up being at CB and S. This place would go absolutely nuts if Veach doesn't address either of the perceived biggest needs on the team with either 1st round pick even if that might mean getting a couple of really good players like Jalen Pitre and Kaiir Elam or similar.

If I'm being honest with myself, I'd probably be a little jaded too. I'd much rather see Veach send 29 and 30 away to get up high. Theoretically speaking, 29, 30, 121, and 233 can get you to #7 overall using the Rich Hill chart. I'd much rather that and get a guy like Trayvon Walker than sit at 29 and 30 and get no impact player on the defensive line for 2022. That simply cannot happen IMO.

I agree that our picks #29 & #30 lie in the middle of a value gap for WR and DE. Makes me wonder if a trade-up is eminent.

Alternatively, an early run on WR & DE would push other positions down and I'd be stoked to have Nakobe Dean if he falls to us!

Really like this mock btw!

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Almost every edge in this class is a bit on the stiff side. The two off the top of my head that aren't are Thibodeaux and Ebiketie. You have to get down into some shitties later on that have serious strength issues before you find more IMO. Ebiketie just doesn't fit KC's scheme very well and Thibodeaux I can't imagine falls out of the top 5.

Yeah not a Ebiketie fan at all

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah not a Ebiketie fan at all

He just doesn't fit what we do at all...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

This is the only one I have ever found:

https://gbnreport.com/2015-nfl-draft...e-value-chart/

It may take a move up to 9, 10, or 11 to grab one of these guys.

Forgot to respond to this...

Draftek has the nicest IMO, you can enter a team acronym like KC and it'll highlight all the picks for you.

Hill Chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp

Johnson Chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Forgot to respond to this...

Draftek has the nicest IMO, you can enter a team acronym like KC and it'll highlight all the picks for you.

Hill Chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp

Johnson Chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Awesome! Thanks! I'll check them out tomorrow.