Somehow, some way, Howie Roseman out-Veach'd Veach.

[Direckshun]

Wow.

Just... wow.

I thought Veach's deal with Mahomes was the best QB deal I've ever seen for a top-tier QB.

Roseman deal with Hurts laps it. It's maybe the best contract I've ever seen in professional sports.

The only downside is if Hurts busts all of a sudden. Assuming he continues to be very good, it's an amazing deal.

Assuming he continues to be the best QB in the NFC, it's the best deal I've ever seen.

Look at it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I agree that Mahomes' contract has more cap flexibility. But you need that flexibility because Mahomes is hitting the cap at basically 40m/year.

Hurts is hitting at half of that, so no, you're not going to need any cap flexibility from him.

Mahomes deal has no chance to absolutely implode your cap for the next decade or so.

Hurts deal can/will do that in the next 5 years. Essentially what Roseman did was automatically convert all those years of salary to bonus where the Chiefs can elect to do so (or elect to do so only in part).

The Chiefs can keep their hand on the rudder and guide things as the situation warrants. Roseman can't - he's already played the cards.

The Chiefs have a much better deal than the Eagles do. And unlike the Eagles, they don't HAVE to go to the table with their QB in 5 years knowing that their pants are already around their ankles.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I agree that Mahomes' contract has more cap flexibility. But you need that flexibility because Mahomes is hitting the cap at basically 40m/year.

Hurts is hitting at half of that, so no, you're not going to need any cap flexibility from him.

Mahomes contract used roster bonuses instead, so it wouldn't compound future years automatically. That's a better setup in my opinion and it at least gives you some option to maneuver money if you need to. No such thing in the Hurts deal. Plus, you have those 75+ million years in 27 and 28 sitting out there. So while there's a bit less money now, when that time comes you better hope you can work something out or you just lost your QB because no way, no how are they going to pay those salaries.

[The Franchise]

Is it me or do those massive bonuses in the back end of the deal just make it look like the Eagles aren't expecting him to reach that point? They're going to use him and abuse him for the next 3-4 years....and then cut bait. You'd have to deal with some dead cap hits for 2027 and 2028 but I'm sure they'd be fine with that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Is it me or do those massive bonuses in the back end of the deal just make it look like the Eagles aren't expecting him to reach that point? They're going to use him and abuse him for the next 3-4 years....and then cut bait. You'd have to deal with some dead cap hits for 2027 and 2028 but I'm sure they'd be fine with that.

But if you cut bait, all those stacked pro-rated option bonuses hit your cap. A nd the way they've structured them, most of the bonuses trigger a year BEFORE they're actually due. And it's a ladder format so the number you have to walk away from the year prior is wholly prohibitive.

"Some dead cap hits in 2027 and 2028" may be a quarter of their cap.

It looks to me more like they expect to extend him in 2028 in a way that absorbs those pro-rated bonus figures and kicks the can another 3-4 years.

But that's gonna be tougher sledding than they expect, IMO, because Hurts and his agents will have them by the short-hairs.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But if you cut bait, all those stacked pro-rated option bonuses hit your cap. A nd the way they've structured them, most of the bonuses trigger a year BEFORE they're actually due. And it's a ladder format so the number you have to walk away from the year prior is wholly prohibitive.

"Some dead cap hits in 2027 and 2028" may be a quarter of their cap.

It looks to me more like they expect to extend him in 2028 in a way that absorbs those pro-rated bonus figures and kicks the can another 3-4 years.

But that's gonna be tougher sledding than they expect, IMO, because Hurts and his agents will have them by the short-hairs.

I figured I was wrong. I was just going off of OTC and using it to cut him in 2027. It showed dead cap hits of $20+ million for 2027 and 2028 and then minimal in 2029.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I figured I was wrong. I was just going off of OTC and using it to cut him in 2027. It showed dead cap hits of $20+ million for 2027 and 2028 and then minimal in 2029.

Yeah, it looks to me like the asskicking COMES in 2029.

Though I read somewhere that the Eagles have variable options in those last 2 seasons where they can either call the massive chunk base salary or they can call it option bonus and pro-rate it.

So if that's the case, it's a little like the Mahomes deal but inverted. If they get 3 years down the road and think they might want to move on from him, maybe they go ahead and exercise those options but call it base salary to keep it from being pushed into those later seasons and tying their hands on an eventual extension.

[Buehler445]

The way I viewed it when I looked at it was the Eagles PLAN to do an extension, but if catastraphic injury precludes them from doing so, they'll have a penalty, but they get a window of lower costs.

If everything works out, he'll have an extension and be kicking ass and taking names.

If it doesn't they'll have a fee to play the game.

Good discussion in here guys. Thanks.

[DRM08]

Void years have become the biggest cheat code in the league at this point. Cowboys, Browns, and others have done similar stuff to cheat the cap. Needs to be outlawed IMHO. If everyone else is doing it, Chiefs should tear up Mahomes' contract and create one with a bunch of void years in there to lower his cap hits.

Get ready for the Joe Burrow & Justin Herbert deals that look similar to Jalen Hurts, featuring a bunch of void years to make sure Burrow & Herbert's cap hits are pretty low. Not only is Mahomes going to be underpaid compared to his value, he's going to have much higher cap hits than these guys with the cheating void years added to their contracts. It is now a bad deal in both directions, with a very weak cash flow for Mahomes compared to his peers and very high salary cap hits for the Chiefs compared to much lower cap hits for other QB's around the league.

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Void years have become the biggest cheat code in the league at this point. Cowboys, Browns, and others have done similar stuff to cheat the cap. Needs to be outlawed IMHO. If everyone else is doing it, Chiefs should tear up Mahomes' contract and create one with a bunch of void years in there to lower his cap hits.

Get ready for the Joe Burrow & Justin Herbert deals that look similar to Jalen Hurts, featuring a bunch of void years to make sure Burrow & Herbert's cap hits are pretty low. Not only is Mahomes going to be underpaid compared to his value, he's going to have much higher cap hits than these guys with the cheating void years added to their contracts. It is now a bad deal in both directions, with a very weak cash flow for Mahomes compared to his peers and very high salary cap hits for the Chiefs compared to much lower cap hits for other QB's around the league.

I mean they have to still pay the money, it's two different ways of doing it. Personally I like the Mahomes contract

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by TambaBerry

I mean they have to still pay the money, it's two different ways of doing it. Personally I like the Mahomes contract

You pretty much have one hand tied behind your back, and you're not doing right by the player or the team. The player is taking less cash and still has higher cap hits than rival QB's, which makes no sense. Gave up Tyreek Hill. Meanwhile the Bengals are probably going to use void years on Burrow's contract to let them keep both Chase and Higgins over the next 4+ years. Same thing with the Eagles loaded roster. When you get to the later part of the QB contract, you do a new one to lower the cap hits once again.

[Rain Man]

No other team can claim any kind of victory over the Chiefs. We have Patrick Mahomes II.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Sure....if Hurts wins a Super Bowl. Until then....Mahomes contract takes it.

Not just one but multiple. We're building a dynasty here.