Thoughts of the game (long) - Page 3

|Zach| · 09-19-2004, 02:32 PM

Yuck.

First of all with the defense. We need to tackle better. I think this is our bigeest problem. Having said that I really do not think they did that bad. I think our defense is improved but in what universe do any of them exepect to keep teams out of the end zone if the offense isn't going to do their part. When the defense actully does what it needs to do and gets that opposing offense off the field (which they did a lot of) we need the offense to score or at the very least sustain a drive so that the defense can rest. This defense is improved but it will never be good enough to rely on if the offense is just going to go out and get 3 and outs. The defense made two turnovers. When your defense can make plays like that you expect the offense to do more with them. Dalton did some good things in there.

On offense our recievers are not getting open. That is all there is to it. I think we are really seein what injuries can do to an offense. When they are open Trent doesn't seem to be getting the ball there. The chemistry is lacking.

I do have to say, it is funny watching people run around with their heads ut off around here. There are a lot of people on this board with a total lack of perspective and an inability to look at the big picture. It is to be expected though.

There are a lot of games to play and we need our guys to get healthy. We need Kennison back. I think this game would have been a lot different with him in there. If we are going to put Hall in the game then we need to throw to him more. Holmes needs more touches, when that happens it will be easier for our crappy WRs to get open becuase they will bite on the play fake. I think Trent needs to do a better job of selling the run in play action. Alot better.

On defense we just have to tackle. Really just to better tacking and things are a lot different. I think the offense really hung our defense out to dry in this game. I really do think we have an improved defense.

They key for both sides of the ball is 3rd down. Our 3rd down numbers this year have been really THAT bad. Something needs to happen. We really seem to be doing a solid job on 1st and 2nd...

I look forward to seeing them get healthier and put some things together against the Texans. We need to get this thing turned around. I am not pressing the panic button yet...

go bo · 09-19-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

If AS will pull his head out of his ass and call a decent game the _ffense will improve. Sixteen rushes for Priest is not calling a good game. And a good showing by the O will help the defense out. Leaving them with a short field and small breaks on the side line is going to affect their performance. And this makes the times they did excel both today and last week more impressive. Last week they had four straight stops after the O had left them on a short field too many times. Their is some improvement there, and there will be more if the O gets their act together and takes a little pressure off of them.

yeah, i'll grant you that there was some improvement, but that's not saying much since our d has been consistently bad over the past three seasons...

but i do have to admit that i'm glad somebody still has a positive attitude about our d...

kudos to you, sir...

Raiderhater · 09-19-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

yeah, i'll grant you that there was some improvement, but that's not saying much since our d has been consistently bad over the past three seasons...

I disagree, considering how bad we have been any sign of improvement is saying a lot. It is saying we are improving.

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but i do have to admit that i'm glad somebody still has a positive attitude about our d...

kudos to you, sir...

It's a tough job, but someone has got to do it.

DenverChief · 09-19-2004, 05:03 PM

I actually noticed the majority of our passing plays were over the middle...what happend to sideline and curl routes? Green missed a couple of WIDEOPEN WR's today prolly becasue he only trusts TG right about now.....we need to get Smith and Parker more involved in practice so Trent will throw to them on gameday

**the Talking Can** · 09-19-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

We have a very young team that will get better as time goes on...

Thanks for the response, but I still sense people are dreaming.

We have the same defense as last year, they couldn't tackle then either.

Holliday/Hicks/Browning/Sims/Fujita/Barber/McCleon/Wesley/Woods/Warfield are 3rd year vets or (much) older....I don't understand how they are suddenly going to become good tacklers or smart players.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Lord Bestyle · 09-19-2004, 05:36 PM

My $0.02...

D: There's improvement, definitely. One series, they force a three-and-out with a bunch of stops in the backfield. The next series, a missed tackle results in a 63-yard run. This is improvement because GRob's imitation-D never forced three-and-outs. Gun should skip game plan and devote this week's practices to tackling drills.

O: We drafted Kris Wilson to be a big change in our O for this season. But, now that he's injured, our O is essentially the same (or arguably worse) than last year. It looks like opposing teams have figured out how to stop our offense. And with nothing new to show, the O is going to continue to suck. Every team with a good D is going to look at what DEN and CAR have done and duplicate it. That is scary.

ST: Less important than the previous two, but does anyone (other than Donx fans) think that Dante's four returns last year would have happened if the refs were enforcing "block-in-the-back" as much as they are now?

TEX · 09-19-2004, 06:30 PM

My thoughts are the offense looks old and slow, much like the Raiders of las year. And the _efense is as $hitty as ever, especially at DE, MLB, and whoever plays CB opposite Warfield. This team is heading for an 8-8 train wreck of a season. You stand pat - you fall behind, pretty simple math...

LVNHACK · 09-19-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Bestyle

My $0.02...

D: There's improvement, definitely. One series, they force a three-and-out with a bunch of stops in the backfield. The next series, a missed tackle results in a 63-yard run. This is improvement because GRob's imitation-D never forced three-and-outs. Gun should skip game plan and devote this week's practices to tackling drills.

O: We drafted Kris Wilson to be a big change in our O for this season. But, now that he's injured, our O is essentially the same (or arguably worse) than last year. It looks like opposing teams have figured out how to stop our offense. And with nothing new to show, the O is going to continue to suck. Every team with a good D is going to look at what DEN and CAR have done and duplicate it. That is scary.

ST: Less important than the previous two, but does anyone (other than Donx fans) think that Dante's four returns last year would have happened if the refs were enforcing "block-in-the-back" as much as they are now?

While I agree on your take, IMO Al Saunders need to realize what he has and use his RB's more.......

Logical · 09-19-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Gunther should chew their asses out after the last 2 weeks. I can't imagine how pissed he has to be.

Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.

milkman · 09-19-2004, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.

I agree with this, but at the same time I have to wonder this.

Why the **** was Gunther using a 3 man rush and zones so many times when the Chiefs D got the Panthers in 3rd and long?
Does he look at the (lack of) talent and come to the conclusion that the secondary can't hold up in man.

What happened to that aggressive approach we have all been waiting for?

Hammock Parties · 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM

See my sig. We've already dropped seven passes this year by my reckoning (I've been keeping a tally during the game. We had four today. Two by Richard Smith on back to back plays, one by Morton and one by Hall).

Trent Green is not playing well either. The last two years he's had problems in the first month of the season before breaking out and doing well the rest of the year. That, combined with the level of our opponents and injuries has led to an 0-2 start IMO.

It's too bad, because Green was 13-20 for 149 yards in the first half today. Second half he was an abysmal 4-14 for 38 yards. Disgusting.

Sure-Oz · 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.

I agree, we have no one on defense that the opposing team needs to fear.

Hammock Parties · 09-19-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I agree, we have no one on defense that the opposing team needs to fear.

The Panthers had 7 points and 43 yards rushing in the first half. Our defense spent way too much time on the field in the second half.

The offense is to blame for this mess.

Chiefnj · 09-19-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Gunther is NOT a miracle worker, he does not have the talent to produce.

Today's game brilliantly illustrates this point. How many times were players in position to make a play, but because of poor tackling the offense converted? Gunther was making the right calls, the players just couldn't execute.

The only 2 defensive players worth a damn today were Warfield and Dalton.

PastorMikH · 09-19-2004, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I actually noticed the majority of our passing plays were over the middle...what happend to sideline and curl routes? Green missed a couple of WIDEOPEN WR's today prolly becasue he only trusts TG right about now.....we need to get Smith and Parker more involved in practice so Trent will throw to them on gameday

Last week the WRs were covered on the outside. From what I was hearing on the radio the same is true for this week as well. We can't complete passes to the outside if the recievers can't get separation.

Inspector · 09-19-2004, 09:09 PM

I'm nrevous about Houston now. I remember last year before the playing the Bengals, thinking we would kick their butts....

But hey, Cheeks seems like a good pick up. Looks like we'll really need a good punter this year.

09-19-2004, 02:32 PM
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2986768	Thoughts of the game (long) Yuck. First of all with the defense. We need to tackle better. I think this is our bigeest problem. Having said that I really do not think they did that bad. I think our defense is improved but in what universe do any of them exepect to keep teams out of the end zone if the offense isn't going to do their part. When the defense actully does what it needs to do and gets that opposing offense off the field (which they did a lot of) we need the offense to score or at the very least sustain a drive so that the defense can rest. This defense is improved but it will never be good enough to rely on if the offense is just going to go out and get 3 and outs. The defense made two turnovers. When your defense can make plays like that you expect the offense to do more with them. Dalton did some good things in there. On offense our recievers are not getting open. That is all there is to it. I think we are really seein what injuries can do to an offense. When they are open Trent doesn't seem to be getting the ball there. The chemistry is lacking. I do have to say, it is funny watching people run around with their heads ut off around here. There are a lot of people on this board with a total lack of perspective and an inability to look at the big picture. It is to be expected though. There are a lot of games to play and we need our guys to get healthy. We need Kennison back. I think this game would have been a lot different with him in there. If we are going to put Hall in the game then we need to throw to him more. Holmes needs more touches, when that happens it will be easier for our crappy WRs to get open becuase they will bite on the play fake. I think Trent needs to do a better job of selling the run in play action. Alot better. On defense we just have to tackle. Really just to better tacking and things are a lot different. I think the offense really hung our defense out to dry in this game. I really do think we have an improved defense. They key for both sides of the ball is 3rd down. Our 3rd down numbers this year have been really THAT bad. Something needs to happen. We really seem to be doing a solid job on 1st and 2nd... I look forward to seeing them get healthier and put some things together against the Texans. We need to get this thing turned around. I am not pressing the panic button yet...
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09-19-2004, 05:03 PM	#33
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	I actually noticed the majority of our passing plays were over the middle...what happend to sideline and curl routes? Green missed a couple of WIDEOPEN WR's today prolly becasue he only trusts TG right about now.....we need to get Smith and Parker more involved in practice so Trent will throw to them on gameday Last edited by DenverChief; 09-19-2004 at 05:30 PM..
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09-19-2004, 05:36 PM	#35
Lord Bestyle CP Mac Guru Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lurking Here Everyday Casino cash: $6265550	My $0.02... D: There's improvement, definitely. One series, they force a three-and-out with a bunch of stops in the backfield. The next series, a missed tackle results in a 63-yard run. This is improvement because GRob's imitation-D never forced three-and-outs. Gun should skip game plan and devote this week's practices to tackling drills. O: We drafted Kris Wilson to be a big change in our O for this season. But, now that he's injured, our O is essentially the same (or arguably worse) than last year. It looks like opposing teams have figured out how to stop our offense. And with nothing new to show, the O is going to continue to suck. Every team with a good D is going to look at what DEN and CAR have done and duplicate it. That is scary. ST: Less important than the previous two, but does anyone (other than Donx fans) think that Dante's four returns last year would have happened if the refs were enforcing "block-in-the-back" as much as they are now? __________________ Disclaimer: Everything I know about football, I learned from ChiefsPlanet. I routinely use opinions formed by reading CP in real-life conversation and pass them off as my own. Many people do this; unlike some of them, I do not write for The Star nor WPI.
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09-19-2004, 06:30 PM	#36
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1496873	My thoughts are the offense looks old and slow, much like the Raiders of las year. And the _efense is as $hitty as ever, especially at DE, MLB, and whoever plays CB opposite Warfield. This team is heading for an 8-8 train wreck of a season. You stand pat - you fall behind, pretty simple math... __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?"
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09-19-2004, 07:09 PM	#40
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $740478	See my sig. We've already dropped seven passes this year by my reckoning (I've been keeping a tally during the game. We had four today. Two by Richard Smith on back to back plays, one by Morton and one by Hall). Trent Green is not playing well either. The last two years he's had problems in the first month of the season before breaking out and doing well the rest of the year. That, combined with the level of our opponents and injuries has led to an 0-2 start IMO. It's too bad, because Green was 13-20 for 149 yards in the first half today. Second half he was an abysmal 4-14 for 38 yards. Disgusting. __________________ Chiefs game films
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09-19-2004, 09:09 PM	#45
Inspector MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: K.C. Casino cash: $9914975	I'm nrevous about Houston now. I remember last year before the playing the Bengals, thinking we would kick their butts.... But hey, Cheeks seems like a good pick up. Looks like we'll really need a good punter this year.
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