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Old 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM   Topic Starter
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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time
After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:16 AM   #2
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I don't think he deserves more time, but only because I've seen enough failures of his own sans the team he inherited to know that he's not an NFL Head Coach.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:16 AM   #3
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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time
Easy, we need to give Herm more time so we can have high draft picks two years in a row.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:32 AM   #4
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Easy, we need to give Herm more time so we can have high draft picks two years in a row.
Touche.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:59 PM   #5
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I've been wrong before...but you can bet Herm will be kept for year 3 of his 4 year contract, yet that will be it without a Break-Through year...Clark is young, but considering his family upbringing...he's a Very smart guy, he knows Chiefs fans deserve & expect more.

IMO, Herm deserves that 3rd year...he thought NY was bad!!?, he walked into a BOILING FURNACE here...he will get 1 more year to fix it & then, if not, i to will ****Officialy**** Jump Ship.

Lets just get behind this Croyle kid, 2 picks Be Damned, nit-picking Be Damned...Brodie has the Right Stuff.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:17 AM   #6
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we don't

but unless Clark is ready to wipe the slate clean, fire everyone (GM, HC, OC,DC) it doesn't matter...
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:18 AM   #7
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He's just frankly the wrong guy, his idea of wanting to draft, get young and build the team is right in theory but his idea of how to do it and how to play is wrong.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:23 AM   #8
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He's just frankly the wrong guy, his idea of wanting to draft, get young and build the team is right in theory but his idea of how to do it and how to play is wrong.

Spot on Mr. Mecca.

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #9
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He's just frankly the wrong guy, his idea of wanting to draft, get young and build the team is right in theory but his idea of how to do it and how to play is wrong.
100% Correct.

Seriously this comment should be sent to all the "Give Herm a chance to build his own team" crowd.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:20 PM   #10
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He's just frankly the wrong guy, his idea of wanting to draft, get young and build the team is right in theory but his idea of how to do it and how to play is wrong.
He can't draft talent either. Whiffing on a 2nd and third for the Tank N Turk Combo-will kill us for years.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:54 PM   #11
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He can't draft talent either. Whiffing on a 2nd and third for the Tank N Turk Combo-will kill us for years.
Whiffing? So you've determined after 14 games that neither of these guys will be solid NFL defensive lineman? Seriously?

WHIFFING is Eddie Freeman, Eric Downing, Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims. Guys who have NO place on an NFL roster.

Tank and Turk gained valuable playing time and learning experience. Claiming that they're "busts" after 14 games is tenuous at best.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:02 PM   #12
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Whiffing? So you've determined after 14 games that neither of these guys will be solid NFL defensive lineman? Seriously?

WHIFFING is Eddie Freeman, Eric Downing, Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims. Guys who have NO place on an NFL roster.

Tank and Turk gained valuable playing time and learning experience. Claiming that they're "busts" after 14 games is tenuous at best.
Well they didn't show much in Camp, Preseason or after 14 games- I mean they have what 4 tackles between them???

How many tackles did Jared have his first year? You either have the talent or you don't. Many thought they were Bust picks to start-and unfortunately they look like Ryan Simms wanna be's so far.

But they are good at slap fighting.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:19 PM   #13
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Well they didn't show much in Camp, Preseason or after 14 games- I mean they have what 4 tackles between them???

How many tackles did Jared have his first year? You either have the talent or you don't. Many thought they were Bust picks to start-and unfortunately they look like Ryan Simms wanna be's so far.

But they are good at slap fighting.
Tank Tyler has 8 tackles in 13 games, 5 solo.

Turk McBride has 10 tackes (7 solo) and 1 sack in 14 games.

Alfonso Boone was 20 tackles in 15 games and 1 sack.

Ron Edwards has 20 tackles in 15 games and 3 sacks.

So while their numbers aren't as high as the veterans, I don't know how many snaps each player has played. But IMO, they're doing "okay" and will only improve. It's not like either guy has hit his peak.
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Bill Cowher. He's Herm with a plan and a set of balls.

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