Chiefs Pendergast and the 3-4

Ralphy Boy · 03-22-2009, 06:09 PM

Okay, I don't get it. Pendergast went to AZ under Dennis Green and ran a 4-3 very successfully at first, taking the 26th ranked D in 2003 to 12th in 2004 & 10th in 2005. They then plummeted to 29th in 2006, 17th in 2007 (Whisenhunts 1st year as HC) and were 19th in 2008.

Supposedly we're switching to a 3-4, but Pendergast has never really run one with success and even the base defense was a 4-3 in AZ last year, IIRC. I've heard some say that they ran a hybrid 3-4/4-3 and all I can find is this article from Spring 2007 when Whisenhunt said he wanted to take elements from the 3-4.http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/87625.

AZ supposedly promoted Bill Davis to DC because of his experience with a 3-4 and that is Whisenhunts prefered D.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-22-2009, 06:11 PM

I believe they will run the 4-3 until they get the players to run a full fledged 3-4. That will take more than one offseason to do, so expect to see alot of 4-3 this year IMO. It will be a methodical switch over.

Jethopper · 03-22-2009, 06:18 PM

meh, 4-3 rocks! The 3-4 is an air coryell / ol' maryland I kind of fad.

Ralphy Boy · 03-22-2009, 06:19 PM

I think we can all recognize that, because they didn't announce it for a while, we were trying to get Romeo to be the DC. When he said he wasn't going to coach this year, Haley gave it to Pendergast because he knew him better than Gibbs.

I'd assume we're going to try to add the personnel in the draft to make a move in that direction, but Pendergast is going to be holding the job until Crennel is ready to come back.

dj56dt58 · 03-22-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper

meh, 4-3 rocks! The 3-4 is an air coryell / ol' maryland I kind of fad.

even if that is true, its a fad that is working right now, much like the spread offense.

milkman · 03-22-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

even if that is true, its a fad that is working right now, much like the spread offense.

Find someone with a clue and buy it.

KCrockaholic · 03-22-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

even if that is true, its a fad that is working right now, much like the spread offense.

your right about that one.

Ralphy Boy · 03-22-2009, 07:19 PM

It does seem like they have drafted pretty good defensive players while Pendergast was DC considering only 2 1st rounders were spent on D.
I liked Dockett, Dansby, Rogers-Cromartie, Rolle, Watson, Branch, Calais Campbell coming out. Rolle was kind of a miss at CB and moved to FS, but there was talk of him maybe having to move to safety before he was even drafted.

ArrowheadHawk · 03-22-2009, 07:22 PM

3-4 is what Mecca would call a gimmick defense.

Chiefaholic · 03-22-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

3-4 is what Mecca would call a gimmick defense.

I could care less what they call it. If it works, keep using it till they can stop it.

Hammock Parties · 03-22-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

3-4 is what Mecca would call a gimmick defense.

Don't be a reerun.

Crush · 03-22-2009, 09:24 PM

This whole thread leaves a WPI taste in my mouth.

Deberg_1990 · 03-22-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I believe they will run the 4-3 until they get the players to run a full fledged 3-4. That will take more than one offseason to do, so expect to see alot of 4-3 this year IMO. It will be a methodical switch over.

The Chiefs havent even had the players to run a 4-3 well for years. Now is as good a time as any to switch.

DaWolf · 03-22-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The Chiefs havent even had the players to run a 4-3 well for years. Now is as good a time as any to switch.

This. Chiefs haven't had the players or coaching to run any defense competently the last few years. I think the bottom line is whatever defense we run, we need solid players in place to make sure they meet their assignments and play disciplined football, and we need coaches in place who will hold them accountable and use the players to the best of their abilities. Whether we'll have any of that this year, no one knows for sure yet. But if we don't do well this year, I don't think Haley will be too shy to make some more changes to the staff next year...

PastorMikH · 03-22-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The Chiefs havent even had the players to run any kind of D well for years. Now is as good a time as any to switch.

Fixed your post.

03-22-2009, 06:09 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Pendergast and the 3-4 Okay, I don't get it. Pendergast went to AZ under Dennis Green and ran a 4-3 very successfully at first, taking the 26th ranked D in 2003 to 12th in 2004 & 10th in 2005. They then plummeted to 29th in 2006, 17th in 2007 (Whisenhunts 1st year as HC) and were 19th in 2008. Supposedly we're switching to a 3-4, but Pendergast has never really run one with success and even the base defense was a 4-3 in AZ last year, IIRC. I've heard some say that they ran a hybrid 3-4/4-3 and all I can find is this article from Spring 2007 when Whisenhunt said he wanted to take elements from the 3-4.http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/87625. AZ supposedly promoted Bill Davis to DC because of his experience with a 3-4 and that is Whisenhunts prefered D. Doesn't make sense to me.
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03-22-2009, 06:11 PM	#2
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $158880	I believe they will run the 4-3 until they get the players to run a full fledged 3-4. That will take more than one offseason to do, so expect to see alot of 4-3 this year IMO. It will be a methodical switch over.
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03-22-2009, 06:18 PM	#3
Jethopper A Great Pick Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9686008	meh, 4-3 rocks! The 3-4 is an air coryell / ol' maryland I kind of fad.
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03-22-2009, 06:19 PM	#4
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I think we can all recognize that, because they didn't announce it for a while, we were trying to get Romeo to be the DC. When he said he wasn't going to coach this year, Haley gave it to Pendergast because he knew him better than Gibbs. I'd assume we're going to try to add the personnel in the draft to make a move in that direction, but Pendergast is going to be holding the job until Crennel is ready to come back.
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03-22-2009, 07:19 PM	#8
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	It does seem like they have drafted pretty good defensive players while Pendergast was DC considering only 2 1st rounders were spent on D. I liked Dockett, Dansby, Rogers-Cromartie, Rolle, Watson, Branch, Calais Campbell coming out. Rolle was kind of a miss at CB and moved to FS, but there was talk of him maybe having to move to safety before he was even drafted.
Posts: 5,088

03-22-2009, 07:22 PM	#9
ArrowheadHawk Rock Chalk! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $7744961	3-4 is what Mecca would call a gimmick defense.
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