Draw Your Line

[tmax63]

There's lots of people here who don't mind Clark's history or Hunt and Hill's history either. There's some here who do. Where do you draw the line?

Is it conviction?
Is it "cops called, reports filed"?
Is it multiple incidents?
Is an allegation from college enough?

Is it cultural? Some people were raised to spank their kids and see nothing wrong with a "board of education". Others will scream "Child Abuse" and want to take kids out of the home and throw them into the foster care system.
If you grew up seeing mom and dad fighting how long do you get to figure out that's not how it's supposed to be before you are accountable? What's the appropriate level of punishment?
Polls are to rigid, just looking for your answers.

[patteeu]

I’m not sure what line we’re talking about, but I think I draw it at conviction or insubordination.

[Rain Man]

I may be an outlier, but I think that off the field stuff should stay off the field. If a guy gets put in jail and can't play, then he crossed the line. But taking action on anything else is the NFL just doing public relations and generally mangling it.

I absolutely despise what Michael Vick did, and I was glad that he didn't sign with the Chiefs, but in the end the off-field stuff was handled and he's got a right to earn a living after that. I feel the same way about any other player or any other worker in America.

I guess it's the employer's right to fire an employee if the employee is publicly doing stuff that the employer doesn't like, or that might hurt the employer's business, but come on. This is the NFL. A few whiny fans will boycott until their team is in the playoffs, and then they'll be back.

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I may be an outlier, but I think that off the field stuff should stay off the field. If a guy gets put in jail and can't play, then he crossed the line. But taking action on anything else is the NFL just doing public relations and generally mangling it.

I absolutely despise what Michael Vick did, and I was glad that he didn't sign with the Chiefs, but in the end the off-field stuff was handled and he's got a right to earn a living after that. I feel the same way about any other player or any other worker in America.

I guess it's the employer's right to fire an employee if the employee is publicly doing stuff that the employer doesn't like, or that might hurt the employer's business, but come on. This is the NFL. A few whiny fans will boycott until their team is in the playoffs, and then they'll be back.

This.

I don't watch football because the players are great human beings. I watch because it's fun to see some amazing athletes do things I could only dream of.

I don't care what someone does off the field, good or bad--everyone calling for Hill's head would not advocate keeping someone like Alex Smith on the team just because he visits hospitals or raises money for charities or whatever.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I may be an outlier, but I think that off the field stuff should stay off the field. If a guy gets put in jail and can't play, then he crossed the line. But taking action on anything else is the NFL just doing public relations and generally mangling it.



I absolutely despise what Michael Vick did, and I was glad that he didn't sign with the Chiefs, but in the end the off-field stuff was handled and he's got a right to earn a living after that. I feel the same way about any other player or any other worker in America.



I guess it's the employer's right to fire an employee if the employee is publicly doing stuff that the employer doesn't like, or that might hurt the employer's business, but come on. This is the NFL. A few whiny fans will boycott until their team is in the playoffs, and then they'll be back.

Didn't Leonard Little kill a man while driving drunk, and continued to play? I think the line now moves depending on whether or not there is video evidence.

I mean, if there wasn't video of Ray Rice knocking his wife out cold, he probably would have kept his job. Kareem Hunt would still be on our roster without the video. Allegations without video evidence (or in some cases physical evidence) is just one person's word against another, and it's easy to create narratives and spin the situation into something palatable.

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[tmax63]

Rainman, after meeting you at a draft party at your house many years ago I agree you are an outlier but that doesn't make you abnormal in this situation. I expect to find many who think along these lines including myself.

[Sorce]

I believe people screw up, what they do after is who they are. If you mess up deal with the consequences and try to change the behavior. I can forgive the action and the person can redeem themselves.

[Shoes]

Probably Aaron Hernandez is where I draw the line.

[Sorce]

Originally Posted by Shoes

Probably Aaron Hernandez is where I draw the line.

Bring him in for a look?

[King_Chief_Fan]

I draw the line where it puts all three on the losing side of the line.
I despise men who are cowards that clobber women or hurt children.
All three are guilty of being low life individuals.

[Why Not?]

Don’t give a shit at all what athletes do off the field.

[StinkBox]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Don’t give a shit at all what athletes do off the field.

This. There's this whole thing called 'the law' and the 'judicial system' and if you're in prison, you can't go to work. Otherwise, **** off and get out of the equation.

[O.city]

I don't really hold them as role models as an adult, but I get the side that says they need to be held to a higher standard.

I think it's kind of ****ed up that they can get suspended or in trouble in situations where they aren't actually in legal trouble. Moreso about what it says about society and the law than the league I guess.

[scho63]

Innocent until proven guilty-that's always my line

[oldman]

Originally Posted by scho63

Innocent until proven guilty-that's always my line

That's kind of where I'm at. We don't know if it was Hill, baby mama, or someone else. It appears the DA doesn't either. In Hunt's case, we all saw the video --- multiple times.