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Old 08-11-2021, 11:25 AM  
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The Offseason Education of Patrick Mahomes

Long article so I'll just post part of it, but a good read about Mahomes and Veach and how they dealt with losing the Super Bowl.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/8...ovement-chiefs

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The Offseason Education of Patrick Mahomes

By Kevin Clark Aug 11, 2021, 6:10am EDT


The best quarterback in football watched the worst game of his career twice.

He was looking for something to learn from, because that’s sorta just what he does, and he found it. “Sometimes,” Patrick Mahomes told me, “when I get hit early, I don’t trust staying in the pocket and going through my reads.”

“I kind of get back to that backyard-style football a little bit too much. And you could definitely see that in the Super Bowl. I mean, there were times that pockets were clean and I was still scrambling,” Mahomes continued.

It’s been six months since the Super Bowl, a 31-9 Buccaneers win, and Mahomes and I are standing on the side of a practice field on a ludicrously hot Missouri afternoon to talk about what he’s gleaned since that night. The short answer is a lot. I came to St. Joseph, Missouri, to find out what comes next for the Chiefs. The answer is everything.

No serious person thinks the Chiefs lost the Super Bowl because of Mahomes. But that is almost the point: He’s learning from it anyway. He is an MVP, a three-time Pro Bowl selection, and a Super Bowl champion whose team has made two Super Bowls and an AFC title game in his three seasons as a starter. He has united with coach Andy Reid to build one of the most impressive and sustainable offenses in league history. Part of what was so startling about the final game of the season was that in three years, Mahomes had developed a style of play that was almost always perfect. He was John Wick with a pencil or Kevin Durant with a burner Twitter account. All he needed for his entire career was a football and he could make magic happen. Statistically, the Super Bowl was the worst game of his career; it was the first game in his NFL life he lost by more than one score. But the story of the game was the Bucs’ fast defense speeding past a banged-up, makeshift Chiefs offensive line. The enduring image of February’s loss was Mahomes parallel to the ground, throwing a pretty good pass after getting tripped up in the backfield. In short, he wasn’t himself because he didn’t have the time to be. Mahomes was pressured 29 times—a Super Bowl record—and ran a total of 497 yards behind the line of scrimmage to avoid the Bucs’ pass rush. Todd Bowles’s defense accomplished that despite blitzing far less than usual, and it worked because the Bucs front was able to put near constant pressure on Mahomes while the defensive backs and linebackers did their jobs behind them.

“I think it’s pretty obvious to say how we needed to get better and the path we needed to take to get better. It was probably pretty clear to most football fans, even if you don’t work for the Chiefs,” general manager Brett Veach told me of the offseason. “You’re literally on the bus on the way back from the Super Bowl thinking ‘How are we going to get this done?’” The path, obviously, was fixing the offensive line. In the Super Bowl, the team was without longtime starters Eric Fisher (tore his Achilles in the AFC title game), Mitchell Schwartz (back injury), and Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (a medical school graduate who opted out of the season and returned to the medical field). Veach, one of the best problem solvers in the sport, solved this one quickly once Fisher and Schwartz were both released. Veach traded for Ravens tackle Orlando Brown, signed Joe Thuney, drafted Creed Humphrey in the second round, and lured Kyle Long out of retirement. Mahomes will be playing behind an entirely different line this year. This is the story of how the 2021 Chiefs have spent the past six months learning the lessons of that night in Tampa.

Those next steps, obviously, extend to the August practice after which I met with Mahomes, and he detailed exactly how he’s building off of what he saw on tape. He continued his thought on playing too much “backyard football” that night. “So,” Mahomes said, “I’ve been going back [working] on that. Making sure that I trust the guys around me and trust the pocket, make the read within the pocket and not try to make the big play happen.”

This tendency to, as Mahomes puts it, stop trusting his reads after hits, is something he’s said he’s always focused on fixing, but he said he noticed it particularly in that February game. Now comes fixing it. “Days like today,” he said, “we have long drive drills. We’re going 15 and 16 plays in a row of stepping up in the pocket and making the right reads and not just relying on scrambling and making all these different throws. That’s just stuff that comes with repetition and a lot of hard work that I’ve tried to put in every single year.”
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Old 08-11-2021, 11:39 AM   #2
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There's a really good 30 for 30 podcast on Dan and Dave. Talked about how a sports shrink forced him to watch his failed high jump repeatedly until he puked.

We heard this from mahomes when he couldn't beat man. The guy is crazy relentless about finding the problem then working to fix it.
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Old 08-11-2021, 02:38 PM   #3
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I know this is not what this story is about, but:

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The enduring image of February’s loss was Mahomes parallel to the ground, throwing a pretty good pass

Hit his receiver, who was surrounded by three or four defenders, right between the eyes. And that's just "pretty good"?
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But the story of the game was the Bucs’ fast defense speeding past a banged-up, makeshift Chiefs offensive line.


reason #1.
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But the story of the game was the Bucs’ fast defense speeding past a banged-up, makeshift Chiefs offensive line.


reason #1.
in one of these recent interviews Patrick admits to drifting back and taking a sack. If he’s stayed in the pocket, he’d been able to complete a pass. He said he just needs to trust the pocket will hold.

He wasn’t talking about the SB, but his whole career.
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Old 08-11-2021, 06:52 PM   #6
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He's definitely bailed on some clean pockets but made the play. The OL was so bad in the SB who can blame him. If he says he needs to fix it then that's just another thing that makes him great. He wants to be great. He wants the rings Brady has and to be called the best ever

Personally for me he's the best QB I have ever seen in my many years. QBs like Brady need a great OL and great defense to win. Guys like Mahomes don't. If Manning and Roger's had the defenses Brady has had they would have more rings. If Brady had been in their situation he would not have the same success. Not even close to it.


He will go down in KC as the best ever in any sport we have.
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I know this is not what this story is about, but:

"The enduring image of February’s loss was Mahomes parallel to the ground, throwing a pretty good pass."

Hit his receiver, who was surrounded by three or four defenders, right between the eyes. And that's just "pretty good"?

Maybe the best throw of all-time.
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I'm ****ing tired of hearing about it.

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Damn right. I am still mad as ****.
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But the story of the game was the Bucs’ fast defense speeding past a banged-up, makeshift Chiefs offensive line.


reason #1.
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I'm ****ing tired of hearing about it.

I want to flashy thingy that ****ing game.
I haven’t watched any part of that game since it ended, not one highlight avoided sports talk shows for months , just now started watching nfl network and if they even start to talk about the Super Bowl I change channels , I suck at losing and I think Pat does as well , he is going to be great this year.
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