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Old 03-16-2020, 09:26 PM  
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Late night bullshit: I don't think Chris Jones is going to bring in a haul.

I don't.

Which is problematic.

My read on the situation: Jones and Veach have, together, effed this thing up. I have no official information, because I never do; I'm just reading tea leafs.

1. Jones asked for too much money, and the Chiefs have rightly decided they cannot afford him. So Veach may have been shopping, and the Colts may have been a target, but the 49ers beat them to the punch by getting the Colts' 1st rounder with Buckner.

2. It's extremely unlikely that two teams out of 32 are willing to part with 1st round picks in order to secure an interior DL, which of course is what Jones is worth.

3. And if that's the case, the Chiefs really have two options: keep Jones, or sell him for however many 2nd day picks they can secure.

4. I think it makes more sense to keep him for another year, since a $16m tag is a great deal for Jones when other elite DTs are earning $4-$6m more. It will completely rake our ability to sign any FAs of note, however, and really any of our own FAs as well.

5. That just means we're going to get boned even more next year, though, for two reasons:
---> we'll be moving on to the 2nd year of Mahomes' incoming monstrous deal
---> teams know that if we couldn't afford Jones in 2020, we definitely can't afford him in 2021

6. Tagging Jones also makes inking Mahomes insanely difficult this offseason, which means you give it a go next year, but the risk of not getting him inked grows. And you absolutely cannot risk it with Mahomes: you must get him signed long-term.

I've been Chicken Little plenty of times on this site and been wrong, but this is an instance I see the Chiefs facing some deep difficulties fielding a well-rounded roster next year.

I mean think of it this way: the Chiefs lose Bashaud Breeland and Kendall Fuller (edit: Fuller gone) because they can't afford them, can't ink Chris Harris because they can't afford him, and now have just a couple actual corners on the roster. I love our defensive coaches as much as the next guy but now you're drafting corners for need instead of going BPA because you have no other options.
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:28 PM   #2
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I think your mom is going to bring in a haul.

If we trade Jones we’ll do well man. Calm down.
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:29 PM   #3
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We probably ain’t trading Jones and that’s perfectly fine!
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:30 PM   #4
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Well at this stage the only way to make the money work and stay good is to draft well. It can be done, but when we pay PM $40+ it’s gonna get way harder.
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:42 PM   #6
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:46 PM   #7
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I think your mom is going to bring in a haul.

If we trade Jones we’ll do well man. Calm down.
I think I'm pretty chill, but more pessimistic than most on the haul Jones may command at this point.
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:47 PM   #8
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We probably ain’t trading Jones and that’s perfectly fine!
I think refusing to trade Jones at this point and forcing him to play on the tag is problematic, because it straps your cap space and it makes inking Mahomes longterm impossible in 2020.

However, I think it may be preferable to bringing in a bunch of 3rd round picks for Jones.
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:48 PM   #9
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Old 03-16-2020, 09:52 PM   #11
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Our staff made a cornerback room comprised of Ward, Fuller, Breeland, Fenton and Claiborne look like an very solid unit. Why can’t they continue to do that?

There’s still a ton of corners like the ones we picked up available.

As for Jones, I truly think Veach is trying hard to get it done. If the Cowboys can sign Cooper for $20 million and Dak for around $35 million, why can’t we make Mahomes/ Jones work?

Relax dude. It’s the first day of FA
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:00 PM   #12
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Our staff made a cornerback room comprised of Ward, Fuller, Breeland, Fenton and Claiborne look like an very solid unit. Why can’t they continue to do that?
Because... three of them are leaving?

I think you can field another CB corps of lemons and expect the coaching staff to turn them into lemonade, but the degree of difficulty is much, much higher.
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I think we end up trading him for a decent haul in next year's draft later in the offseason.
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Because... three of them are leaving?

I think you can field another CB corps of lemons and expect the coaching staff to turn them into lemonade, but the degree of difficulty is much, much higher.
One of them was playing safety by the end of the year while the other wasn’t even playing.

Let’s not forget that. Breeland was a fairly cheap 1 year deal. Ward was a small trade. Fenton was a 6th rounder.

I think Veach has proven that he can fine quality corners a lot of different ways and we will absolutely be using a 1st or 2nd on one. Relax.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:06 PM   #15
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I think we end up trading him for a decent haul in next year's draft later in the offseason.
Ummm, no.

The Chiefs have to carry his tag number against the cap as of Wednesday. That would tie up $16 million + dollars you could be using in free agency.
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