Chiefs-Eagles - Current Talent Comparison

**Rain Man** · 09-29-2005, 11:14 AM

Here we go. Week 4.

QB - Green vs. a hurt McNabb. McNabb would normally win this, but he's really hurting and very immobile right now. He's still good, but he's not the normal McNabb. 6/4
HB - Holmes vs. Westbrook. Westbrook is the real deal, and is underrated. Both of our HBs were tentative last week, but the twin tailbacks of terror still win out. 6/4
FB - Richardson vs. Josh Parry. Parry is a second-year starter who's a big guy at 250. Richardson wins. 8/2
WR - Kennison vs. Owens. Kennison is more and more proving to me that he's a solid #1 receiver, but Owens is the best WR in the league by far, and should hold out since he's underpaid. 1/9
WR - Parker vs. Greg Lewis. Lewis is a solid #2/#3 receiver. Parker is not right now. 2/8
TE - Gonzalez vs. L.J. Smith. Smith is a journeyman, and will never be more. 10/0
LT - Black vs. Tra Thomas. Thomas is a 349-lb. nine-year starter. Black is lost right now. 1/9
LG - Waters vs. Artis Hicks. Hicks is huge at 335, and has played his way into a starting role from a backup position. Waters is an all-pro. 9/1
C - Wiegman vs. Hank Fraley. Fraley and Wiegman are twins. Wiegman is faster, Fraley is a little bigger. 6/4
RG - Shields vs. Shawn Andrews. Andrews is listed at 340, but the announcers last week said that he's actually playing at 380 to 385. Mammoth. Shields as the pedigree, but Andrews is supposedly a strong up and comer. 6/4.
RT - Bober vs. Jon Runyan. Cripes, the Eagles line is huge. Runyan goes at 330, and he's a real right tackle. Bober isn't. 0/10.
K - Tynes vs. some guy that the Eagles get out of the stands. Akers has an owie. 10/0
P - Colquitt vs. Dirk Johnson. Johnson is a veteran who averages 41.0 yards per punt. 8/2
KR/PR - Hall vs. Roderick Hood and Dexter Winn. Whatever. Dante wins. 9/1
FS - Wesley vs. Dawkins. Wesley will see what a real safety looks like. 2/8
SS - Knight vs. Michael Lewis. Twins, but Knight produces more turnovers. 6/4
CB - Surtain vs. Lito Shepard. Shepard is a solid, young veteran, but Surtain is a multiple all-pro. 7/3
CB - McCleon vs. Sheldon Brown. Brown is a hard-hitting young veteran, though McCleon may cover a little better. 3/7
OLB - Johnson vs. Keith Adams. Adams is a low-production player at the peak of his career. I'll take Johnson. 7/3
OLB - Bell vs. Dhani Jones. Hard to get a read on Jones. His production is up and down. So is Bell's. 5/5
MLB - Mitchell vs. Jeremiah Trotter. Trotter is listed at 262, and he's had a productive career. Mitchell is officially a MLB now, in my opinion, and has come a long way, but he's not as proven. 4/6
DE - Hicks vs. Jevon Kearse. Nothing to see here. Move along. 1/9
DE - Allen vs. N.D. Kalu. Kalu is not very big (265), and doesn't get that many sacks. Allen actually wins this one. 6/4
DT - Browning vs. Hollis Thomas. Thomas was a starter who lost his job (or was injured) for a few years, and is not starting again. Not overly impressive, but neither is Browning. 4/6
DT - Dalton vs. Darwin Walker. Walker is a horse who can pass rush. Advantage to the evolutionist. 3/7

Summary:

Offense: Chiefs 55, Eagles 55
Special Teams: 27, Eagles 3
Defense: Eagles 62, Chiefs 48

HolmeZz · 09-29-2005, 11:18 AM

You underrated LJ Smith(though I think it's about 9/1) and Michael Lewis IMO.

Ebolapox · 09-29-2005, 11:18 AM

well, having a huge talent advantage over dungver didn't exactly help us--so I'll take this one

-EB-

Deberg_1990 · 09-29-2005, 11:20 AM

The CHiefs are going to have a real nasty time trying to defend TO and Westbrook. Good luck Gunther.....

Wile_E_Coyote · 09-29-2005, 11:29 AM

DT Darwin Walker is listed as doubtful with a thigh contusion, but coach Andy Reid said Walker wouldn't play vs. Kansas City. Rookie Mike Patterson will start in his place for the second straight week.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...0347/1002/NEWS

**Rain Man** · 09-29-2005, 11:33 AM

Well, that's good news. Really good news.

Spicy McHaggis · 09-29-2005, 01:18 PM

L.J. Smith isn't a journeyman. He was a 2nd round pick out of Rutgers by the Eagles a few years ago. He's no Tony and he never will be but he's not a bad young TE.

HolmeZz · 09-29-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

L.J. Smith isn't a journeyman. He was a 2nd round pick out of Rutgers by the Eagles a few years ago. He's no Tony and he never will be but he's not a bad young TE.

He was actually a 1st rounder. He's good, but clearly not in Tony's league. I would've went 9/1-8/2 on the TEs. And Michael Lewis is better than Sammy Knight.

Mr. Krab · 09-29-2005, 01:26 PM

Denver vrs Philly

Offense
QB - Philly
WRs- Philly (starters and depth)
RB - Philly
TE - Philly
OL - Philly
offensive system - Denver
offensive coaching - Denver

Defense
defensive line - Denver
Linebackers - Denver
Safeties - Philly
Cornerbacks - Philly
defensive system - Philly
defensive coaching - Philly

Frankie · 09-29-2005, 01:36 PM

Just adding up these numbers doesn't make sense. You have to assign a 1-10 factor of importance to each position and add the results. Example: QB probably gets a 10 factor. So your assessment there should be 60/40 Chiefs. Go back to your homework Rain man.

Frankie · 09-29-2005, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Just adding up these numbers doesn't make sense. You have to assign a 1-10 factor of importance to each position and add the results. Example: QB probably gets a 10 factor. So your assessment there should be 60/40 Chiefs. Go back to your homework Rain man.

Another example: I'd give LT a factor of 10 and RT 8. That murders our numbers in your comparison, but it would be more correct.

Hoover · 09-29-2005, 01:40 PM

I say unleash the effin hounds

Shit, we are at Home
We are missing our #2 CB, Starting OT's
McNabb is hurt and can't run at 100%

I would Blitz all the effin time, there is no excuse. If we lose, whatever, lets wee what our new toys can do!

Straight, No Chaser · 09-29-2005, 01:46 PM

Ok, nice ratings... Kearse hasn't made an impact yet and has actually been getting beat. Hicks was the only Chief's D player seen on Monday night. I think you underrated: (2/8)

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**Rain Man** · 09-29-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Just adding up these numbers doesn't make sense. You have to assign a 1-10 factor of importance to each position and add the results. Example: QB probably gets a 10 factor. So your assessment there should be 60/40 Chiefs. Go back to your homework Rain man.

Yeah, I agree, but then that would lead to all sorts of speculation about how to weight various positions. I figured I'd just keep it simple.

**Skip Towne** · 09-29-2005, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, I agree, but then that would lead to all sorts of speculation about how to weight various positions. I figured I'd just keep it simple.

Keeping it simple is overrated.

09-29-2005, 11:14 AM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2928491 VARSITY	Chiefs-Eagles - Current Talent Comparison Here we go. Week 4. QB - Green vs. a hurt McNabb. McNabb would normally win this, but he's really hurting and very immobile right now. He's still good, but he's not the normal McNabb. 6/4 HB - Holmes vs. Westbrook. Westbrook is the real deal, and is underrated. Both of our HBs were tentative last week, but the twin tailbacks of terror still win out. 6/4 FB - Richardson vs. Josh Parry. Parry is a second-year starter who's a big guy at 250. Richardson wins. 8/2 WR - Kennison vs. Owens. Kennison is more and more proving to me that he's a solid #1 receiver, but Owens is the best WR in the league by far, and should hold out since he's underpaid. 1/9 WR - Parker vs. Greg Lewis. Lewis is a solid #2/#3 receiver. Parker is not right now. 2/8 TE - Gonzalez vs. L.J. Smith. Smith is a journeyman, and will never be more. 10/0 LT - Black vs. Tra Thomas. Thomas is a 349-lb. nine-year starter. Black is lost right now. 1/9 LG - Waters vs. Artis Hicks. Hicks is huge at 335, and has played his way into a starting role from a backup position. Waters is an all-pro. 9/1 C - Wiegman vs. Hank Fraley. Fraley and Wiegman are twins. Wiegman is faster, Fraley is a little bigger. 6/4 RG - Shields vs. Shawn Andrews. Andrews is listed at 340, but the announcers last week said that he's actually playing at 380 to 385. Mammoth. Shields as the pedigree, but Andrews is supposedly a strong up and comer. 6/4. RT - Bober vs. Jon Runyan. Cripes, the Eagles line is huge. Runyan goes at 330, and he's a real right tackle. Bober isn't. 0/10. K - Tynes vs. some guy that the Eagles get out of the stands. Akers has an owie. 10/0 P - Colquitt vs. Dirk Johnson. Johnson is a veteran who averages 41.0 yards per punt. 8/2 KR/PR - Hall vs. Roderick Hood and Dexter Winn. Whatever. Dante wins. 9/1 FS - Wesley vs. Dawkins. Wesley will see what a real safety looks like. 2/8 SS - Knight vs. Michael Lewis. Twins, but Knight produces more turnovers. 6/4 CB - Surtain vs. Lito Shepard. Shepard is a solid, young veteran, but Surtain is a multiple all-pro. 7/3 CB - McCleon vs. Sheldon Brown. Brown is a hard-hitting young veteran, though McCleon may cover a little better. 3/7 OLB - Johnson vs. Keith Adams. Adams is a low-production player at the peak of his career. I'll take Johnson. 7/3 OLB - Bell vs. Dhani Jones. Hard to get a read on Jones. His production is up and down. So is Bell's. 5/5 MLB - Mitchell vs. Jeremiah Trotter. Trotter is listed at 262, and he's had a productive career. Mitchell is officially a MLB now, in my opinion, and has come a long way, but he's not as proven. 4/6 DE - Hicks vs. Jevon Kearse. Nothing to see here. Move along. 1/9 DE - Allen vs. N.D. Kalu. Kalu is not very big (265), and doesn't get that many sacks. Allen actually wins this one. 6/4 DT - Browning vs. Hollis Thomas. Thomas was a starter who lost his job (or was injured) for a few years, and is not starting again. Not overly impressive, but neither is Browning. 4/6 DT - Dalton vs. Darwin Walker. Walker is a horse who can pass rush. Advantage to the evolutionist. 3/7 Summary: Offense: Chiefs 55, Eagles 55 Special Teams: 27, Eagles 3 Defense: Eagles 62, Chiefs 48
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09-29-2005, 01:18 PM	#7
Spicy McHaggis Keep 'er Movin' Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $9905359	L.J. Smith isn't a journeyman. He was a 2nd round pick out of Rutgers by the Eagles a few years ago. He's no Tony and he never will be but he's not a bad young TE. __________________ “We want players who are big, strong, smart, fast, tough and disciplined,” Pioli said, finally bringing an end to the era of Chiefs executives who searched desperately for players who are small, weak, stupid, slow, fragile and unruly.
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Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $1699903	well, having a huge talent advantage over dungver didn't exactly help us--so I'll take this one -EB-
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09-29-2005, 01:26 PM	#9
Mr. Krab Big Red Nuts Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	Denver vrs Philly Offense QB - Philly WRs- Philly (starters and depth) RB - Philly TE - Philly OL - Philly offensive system - Denver offensive coaching - Denver Defense defensive line - Denver Linebackers - Denver Safeties - Philly Cornerbacks - Philly defensive system - Philly defensive coaching - Philly
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09-29-2005, 01:36 PM	#10
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Just adding up these numbers doesn't make sense. You have to assign a 1-10 factor of importance to each position and add the results. Example: QB probably gets a 10 factor. So your assessment there should be 60/40 Chiefs. Go back to your homework Rain man.
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09-29-2005, 01:40 PM	#12
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1288179	I say unleash the effin hounds Shit, we are at Home We are missing our #2 CB, Starting OT's McNabb is hurt and can't run at 100% I would Blitz all the effin time, there is no excuse. If we lose, whatever, lets wee what our new toys can do!
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09-29-2005, 01:46 PM	#13
Straight, No Chaser Veteran Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: AZ Casino cash: $3429209	Ok, nice ratings... Kearse hasn't made an impact yet and has actually been getting beat. Hicks was the only Chief's D player seen on Monday night. I think you underrated: (2/8) ---->
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