NFBT-The MO Senate Race-The worst case of explotation

ColoradoChief · 10-30-2000, 05:33 PM

Well it's official, the widow of the recently deceased popular governor of MO, who was runnning for the US Senate at the time of his death, will take his place in the Senate IF he wins the election on 11/7. Some people think this is a brilliant move, perhaps it is if all you care about is winning. I call it the worst case of explotation of a tragedy that I've ever seen.

Prior to the accident, Mr. Carnahan trailed by a point or two. Now the polls indicate that Mrs Carnahan will easily win the race. So the conclusion is, people are saying they're going to vote based on sympathy and out of a need to "honor" the fallen governor.

We have no idea whether Mrs. Carnahan would make a good senator or not. She has never held a public office. She, by all accounts, was an outstanding first lady, but she has absolutely NO record as an elected official.

Is this where we have come to in America? Electing a person based on sympathy rather than their qualifications? No wonder so much of our electorate is turned off when political parties stoop to sleazy practices.

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Gary

ColoradoChief · 10-30-2000, 05:54 PM

Sorry Guys, I normally try to stay away from NFBT's, but I just couldn't stay quiet on this one. I'm absolutely outraged at what lenghts some people will go to in the name of politics.

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Gary

Yosef_Malkovitch · 10-30-2000, 06:05 PM

yeah, that's pretty low, IMHO. Doesn't she need to grieve? How could she possibly make a decision of such magnitute just having lost her husband and son 2 weeks ago? If I were voting in MO, there is NO way I'd vote for her based upon what information we know.

htismaqe · 10-30-2000, 06:40 PM

What's even worse than not being qualified, is that she won't be her own woman. She didn't come up with this strategy; at best, she aquiessed when party members came to her and said, "you have to do this."

Who will be calling the shots for that Senate seat? The electorate will never know.

Luz
would like to hear a reasonable explanation of why someone should vote for her...<BR>

ColoradoChief · 10-30-2000, 06:56 PM

It is good that we are asking these questions, because if the incumbent Senator did, he would be absolutely crucified for doing so.

Before I go any further, let me state, I absolutely have complete and totally sympathy and compassion for Mrs. Carnahan. The tragedy she has suffered is unimaginable for most of us.

With that being said, I do not believe that is a valid reason for picking a United States Senator. Building a monument for the fallen governor or naming a building after him, etc, may be the proper way to honor him, but casting a vote for grieving his widow is NOT.

This whole sorry sordid mess makes me embarrassed to be from MO.

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Gary

10-30-2000, 07:51 PM

FIgures - I hope the same people who made this decision never decide that my surgeon's wife is qualified to operate on me in the event of his death.

BroncoFan · 10-31-2000, 04:22 AM

I'm with gh on the embarassed part. This whole mess is sickening. The worst part is; it looks like the people of Missouri are going to fall for it. Just to make sure the people of Missouri don't forget about this before the election, the acting governor (small g intended) has appealed to everyone that the rules of etiquitte for flying the American flag be thrown out the window. He has stated that the normal period of flying the flag at half staff for seven days after such a death be extended to 30 days. (??????)

Word has it that Mr Ashcroft will challenge this in court if it is successful in it's attempt to unseat him. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

ColoradoChief · 10-31-2000, 07:10 AM

I have to disagree with Ashcroft a little on that part Kurt. If he loses, I think he just needs to take his loss because I don't think anything can be gained by going to court. I don't think the Democrats have done anything illegal, sleazy perhaps, but not illegal.

On the flag issue, kind of amazing how that was extended through election day, isn't it?

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Gary

darkchief · 10-31-2000, 07:19 AM

I think the fact that she has never held any public office is a good thing. Mrs Carnahan is not a politician, therefore it is possible that she is an honest respectable person, unlike all the other Senators she may have to work with. If she wins, good for her. The way this board thinks, I doubt she would receive any criticism if she was a Republican.

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It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!

ColoradoChief · 10-31-2000, 07:28 AM

It's not about her party Mizzou5, it's about how this is being played. We will not be treated to how good she is, her views etc. No what we're going to hear is how we should vote for her to keep her husband's legacy alive. It's pure exploitation of her husband's death, pure and simple. THAT is sleazy politics regardless of the party she is from.

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Gary

darkchief · 10-31-2000, 07:34 AM

I think the real problem lies with the people who give her the sympathy vote. She shouldn't be voted for just because her husband died, but I don't think Ashcroft should win just because there's noone else to vote for.

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It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!

ColoradoChief · 10-31-2000, 07:46 AM

I will agree with you on that Mizzou5. Unfortunately a lot of voters are sheep. The polls prior to his death pretty consisently showed this to be a 1 point lead by Ashcroft all summer long, but it was really too close to call. Now they show a huge lead for Carnahan, and he's not even alive to take the seat. Translation, the voters are basing their decision strictly on sympathy, compassion, and a feeling they need to honor Governor Carnahan.

What troubles me about this situation is, the Democratic party handpicked a candidate for NO OTHER REASON than to generate sympathy and thus manipulate the voters.

Of course I realize, these are polls not the actual votes. Who knows what will happen in 7 days. But what we're seeing now, is not democracy at it's best, it's partisan politics at it's abousolute worst.

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Gary

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shakesthecat · 10-31-2000, 07:49 AM

I completely agree that this may be the most exploitive move in the history of American politics. She is going to be nothing but a puppet used by the Democratic party. And worse than that, we have no idea of exactly who will be pulling her strings. But the overall tragedy of it all, is the impression of this state, as it will be perceived by the rest of the nation. The electorate of Missouri will be looked upon as mindless boobs, manipulated by the Democratic party.

ColoradoChief · 10-31-2000, 07:54 AM

Yeah I hadn't thought about that kcred. Can you imagine the material Letterman and Leno are going to get out of this?

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Gary

shakesthecat · 10-31-2000, 08:06 AM

I live in Tennessee, and my 74 yr old neighbor, albeit a Republican, ask me yesterday, how the people in Missouri could be dumb enough to fall for this. I could not give him a substantive answer.

10-30-2000, 05:54 PM	#2
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Sorry Guys, I normally try to stay away from NFBT's, but I just couldn't stay quiet on this one. I'm absolutely outraged at what lenghts some people will go to in the name of politics. ------------------ Gary
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10-30-2000, 06:05 PM	#3
Yosef_Malkovitch The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wichita, KS. Casino cash: $4485999	yeah, that's pretty low, IMHO. Doesn't she need to grieve? How could she possibly make a decision of such magnitute just having lost her husband and son 2 weeks ago? If I were voting in MO, there is NO way I'd vote for her based upon what information we know.
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10-30-2000, 06:40 PM	#4
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	What's even worse than not being qualified, is that she won't be her own woman. She didn't come up with this strategy; at best, she aquiessed when party members came to her and said, "you have to do this." Who will be calling the shots for that Senate seat? The electorate will never know. Luz would like to hear a reasonable explanation of why someone should vote for her...<BR>
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10-30-2000, 06:56 PM	#5
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	It is good that we are asking these questions, because if the incumbent Senator did, he would be absolutely crucified for doing so. Before I go any further, let me state, I absolutely have complete and totally sympathy and compassion for Mrs. Carnahan. The tragedy she has suffered is unimaginable for most of us. With that being said, I do not believe that is a valid reason for picking a United States Senator. Building a monument for the fallen governor or naming a building after him, etc, may be the proper way to honor him, but casting a vote for grieving his widow is NOT. This whole sorry sordid mess makes me embarrassed to be from MO. ------------------ Gary
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10-30-2000, 07:51 PM	#6
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	FIgures - I hope the same people who made this decision never decide that my surgeon's wife is qualified to operate on me in the event of his death.
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10-30-2000, 05:33 PM
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Well it's official, the widow of the recently deceased popular governor of MO, who was runnning for the US Senate at the time of his death, will take his place in the Senate IF he wins the election on 11/7. Some people think this is a brilliant move, perhaps it is if all you care about is winning. I call it the worst case of explotation of a tragedy that I've ever seen. Prior to the accident, Mr. Carnahan trailed by a point or two. Now the polls indicate that Mrs Carnahan will easily win the race. So the conclusion is, people are saying they're going to vote based on sympathy and out of a need to "honor" the fallen governor. We have no idea whether Mrs. Carnahan would make a good senator or not. She has never held a public office. She, by all accounts, was an outstanding first lady, but she has absolutely NO record as an elected official. Is this where we have come to in America? Electing a person based on sympathy rather than their qualifications? No wonder so much of our electorate is turned off when political parties stoop to sleazy practices. ------------------ Gary
Posts: 2,876

10-31-2000, 04:22 AM	#7
BroncoFan Missed Everyone Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm with gh on the embarassed part. This whole mess is sickening. The worst part is; it looks like the people of Missouri are going to fall for it. Just to make sure the people of Missouri don't forget about this before the election, the acting governor (small g intended) has appealed to everyone that the rules of etiquitte for flying the American flag be thrown out the window. He has stated that the normal period of flying the flag at half staff for seven days after such a death be extended to 30 days. (??????) Word has it that Mr Ashcroft will challenge this in court if it is successful in it's attempt to unseat him. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
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10-31-2000, 07:10 AM	#8
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	I have to disagree with Ashcroft a little on that part Kurt. If he loses, I think he just needs to take his loss because I don't think anything can be gained by going to court. I don't think the Democrats have done anything illegal, sleazy perhaps, but not illegal. On the flag issue, kind of amazing how that was extended through election day, isn't it? ------------------ Gary
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10-31-2000, 07:19 AM	#9
darkchief Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think the fact that she has never held any public office is a good thing. Mrs Carnahan is not a politician, therefore it is possible that she is an honest respectable person, unlike all the other Senators she may have to work with. If she wins, good for her. The way this board thinks, I doubt she would receive any criticism if she was a Republican. ------------------ It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
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10-31-2000, 07:28 AM	#10
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	It's not about her party Mizzou5, it's about how this is being played. We will not be treated to how good she is, her views etc. No what we're going to hear is how we should vote for her to keep her husband's legacy alive. It's pure exploitation of her husband's death, pure and simple. THAT is sleazy politics regardless of the party she is from. ------------------ Gary
Posts: 2,876

10-31-2000, 07:34 AM	#11
darkchief Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think the real problem lies with the people who give her the sympathy vote. She shouldn't be voted for just because her husband died, but I don't think Ashcroft should win just because there's noone else to vote for. ------------------ It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
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10-31-2000, 07:46 AM	#12
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	I will agree with you on that Mizzou5. Unfortunately a lot of voters are sheep. The polls prior to his death pretty consisently showed this to be a 1 point lead by Ashcroft all summer long, but it was really too close to call. Now they show a huge lead for Carnahan, and he's not even alive to take the seat. Translation, the voters are basing their decision strictly on sympathy, compassion, and a feeling they need to honor Governor Carnahan. What troubles me about this situation is, the Democratic party handpicked a candidate for NO OTHER REASON than to generate sympathy and thus manipulate the voters. Of course I realize, these are polls not the actual votes. Who knows what will happen in 7 days. But what we're seeing now, is not democracy at it's best, it's partisan politics at it's abousolute worst. ------------------ Gary [This message has been edited by gh4chiefs (edited 10-31-2000).] [This message has been edited by gh4chiefs (edited 10-31-2000).]
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10-31-2000, 07:49 AM	#13
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4093833	I completely agree that this may be the most exploitive move in the history of American politics. She is going to be nothing but a puppet used by the Democratic party. And worse than that, we have no idea of exactly who will be pulling her strings. But the overall tragedy of it all, is the impression of this state, as it will be perceived by the rest of the nation. The electorate of Missouri will be looked upon as mindless boobs, manipulated by the Democratic party.
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10-31-2000, 07:54 AM	#14
ColoradoChief Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Fort Collins, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Yeah I hadn't thought about that kcred. Can you imagine the material Letterman and Leno are going to get out of this? ------------------ Gary
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10-31-2000, 08:06 AM	#15
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4093833	I live in Tennessee, and my 74 yr old neighbor, albeit a Republican, ask me yesterday, how the people in Missouri could be dumb enough to fall for this. I could not give him a substantive answer.
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