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Wile_E_Coyote · 09-21-2006, 05:36 AM

JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY

COMMENTARY

NO IMPACT YET FROM STAR TRIO

I’m as guilty as anyone. We’ve spent too much time focusing on the coaching errors that have contributed to the Chiefs’ 0-2 start and not nearly enough time examining the performances of the players.

Last I checked, the football players Herm Edwards sends out onto the field are on full-ride scholarships — some of them even receive lots of extra benefits. Herm, Mike Solari, Gunther Cunningham and Carl Peterson didn’t dig an 0-2 hole all by themselves.

Two weeks in, I’ve identified three big-time playmakers who have yet to make a big-time play. Had any of the three made a Pro Bowl-caliber play in Denver, the Chiefs would be .500, and we’d be praising Herm and his coaching staff for surviving Trent Green’s concussion.

The three players I’m about to mention have not played poorly. They just haven’t contributed at a level equal to their resumes, salaries or reputations.

1. Dante Hall: The X-Factor actually had a decent game at Invesco Field. He had a 21-yard punt return and averaged 14.4 yards on his five punt returns. He averaged 29.5 on his two kick returns.

But in a game like Sunday’s — a defensive struggle — the Chiefs were counting on Hall to single-handedly put them in field-goal position at least once. It never happened. Hall’s best return, a 27-yard punt return that went to the Denver 46, was wiped out by an illegal block below the waist.

Kansas City’s best field position all afternoon was when it started the game at its own 34. That drive ended with Larry Johnson’s fumble.
I was a big fan of former Kansas City Chiefs special-teams coach Frank Gansz Jr., the son of a special-teams guru. Edwards chose to bring in his own coach, Mike Priefer, who is the son of longtime Detroit Lions special-teams coach Chuck Priefer. This is Mike Priefer’s first crack leading a special-teams unit. He worked for the Giants and the Jaguars as an assistant.

With Green out and the Chiefs employing a conservative strategy, Priefer’s return teams must give Damon Huard a short field once or twice a game.

2. Ty Law: My favorite player is a significant upgrade over Eric Warfield. But that’s the equivalent of saying Toledo football coach Tom Amstutz looks better at a nude beach than me or Mark Mangino.

Law is one of the best corners in the league. He’s paid to break up passes and create turnovers. He hasn’t done either in two games. I had no problem with the reception he gave up in overtime at Denver. Law had terrific coverage. Jake Plummer made a poor pass, and the receiver came back to the ball.

My problem is that Law hasn’t broken up a pass yet. Kansas City’s scheme has him lined up off the ball much too often for my liking.
Given the Chiefs’ pass-rush difficulties, Law and Patrick Surtain should be mugging receivers at the line of scrimmage so that the Chiefs can send six defenders at the quarterback.

I’ll be highly disappointed if Law doesn’t make a play or two against San Francisco’s Alex Smith in a couple of weeks.

3. Patrick Surtain: Right now, Surtain and Law are being outplayed by third corner Lenny Walls. That’s unacceptable. Walls is actually rotating with Surtain and Law on the first unit. When I noticed this early in the Denver game, I was completely shocked. By the end of the game, I could see why Cunningham was doing it.

Walls made a play, and I never saw him out of position.

It’s nice to have a capable third cover corner. But Surtain and Law are supposed to be James Hasty and Dale Carter. On Denver’s game-winning drive, Plummer opened it going right at Surtain. Then Denver ripped off a run right up the gut of KC’s defense. Then Plummer completed the prayer in Law’s direction.

A run through the heart of the defense and completions against KC’s two best defenders — at crunch time — spell trouble for the Chiefs’ defense. Just imagine if Jake Plummer were good.

Again, Hall, Law and Surtain are not primarily responsible for KC’s 0-2 start. The blame can be spread in a number of areas. But these three players can and should play a big role in stopping the Chiefs from falling to 0-3.

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tyton75 · 09-21-2006, 06:02 AM

I thought Dante did just fine.. but I would tend to agree with him on the other 2

**morphius** · 09-21-2006, 06:26 AM

Yeah, I was really hoping for some bumping at the line, but we are still dropping 5-10 yards of the WR. While this may make it easier to get the big play, it sure doesn't help stop much either. Even bad QB's in the NFL are not so bad that they overthrow that many times in a game.

I also recall Jared Allen saying there were a few times where he was half a step off of getting the sack, but instead was just getting some hits on the QB. What is the best way to give him that half a step...

BUMP the receivers!!!

bringbackmarty · 09-21-2006, 08:08 AM

I'm sorry but zero passing td's through two games. The defense is doing it's job, especially law and surtain.

StcChief · 09-21-2006, 08:16 AM

We forgot INT Law dropped against Cincy that Wesley helped on....

Surtain/Law are doing very good.

At the end of game... bumping, if it doesn't work they burn you..

**morphius** · 09-21-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

We forgot INT Law dropped against Cincy that Wesley helped on....

Surtain/Law are doing very good.

At the end of game... bumping, if it doesn't work they burn you..

bumping doesn't mean one on one coverage, you can bump then drop back in your zone.

Though I do agree, not giving up any big TD's is a nice start.

BigChiefFan · 09-21-2006, 08:24 AM

Whitlock is full of shit on this. Does even watch the games? He's calling out the wrong players.

DJJasonp · 09-21-2006, 08:40 AM

This was quite humorous though...

. Ty Law: My favorite player is a significant upgrade over Eric Warfield. But that’s the equivalent of saying Toledo football coach Tom Amstutz looks better at a nude beach than me or Mark Mangino.

Red Dawg · 09-21-2006, 10:13 AM

This is a BS story. We have not given up a TD pass and he's bitching about our corners? Can't break up passes if they aren't throwing the ball your direction.

Fish · 09-21-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

This is a BS story. We have not given up a TD pass and he's bitching about our corners? Can't break up passes if they aren't throwing the ball your direction.

Fatlock is just reaching for something to bitch about. I do agree with him that Law and Surtain need to bump at the line more.....

**Anyong Bluth** · 09-21-2006, 10:19 AM

BS or not... Walls has played really well!

Sully · 09-21-2006, 10:21 AM

Did he say we should quit blaming the coaches... and then blame the coaches?

Mr. Laz · 09-21-2006, 10:26 AM

actually Law and Surtain are having a impact just by their presents on the field.

teams know they are there and our more caution in passing the ball.

i do agree we could be more aggressive though

wolfpack0735 · 09-21-2006, 04:12 PM

i think they are doing ok. i too am tired of them 10 yards off the line. i have seen Surtan up on the wideout and Law 10 yards off. starting to wonder if Law`s age (speed) is showing alittle.

Deberg_1990 · 09-21-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

I'm sorry but zero passing td's through two games. The defense is doing it's job, especially law and surtain.

I agree..Whitlock is barking up the wrong tree on this one. IMO, LJ needs to be called out more than these two. Not that hes been bad, but he has yet to live up to his "gamebreaker" status yet.

09-21-2006, 05:36 AM
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Big Sexy commentary 9-21 JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY COMMENTARY NO IMPACT YET FROM STAR TRIO I’m as guilty as anyone. We’ve spent too much time focusing on the coaching errors that have contributed to the Chiefs’ 0-2 start and not nearly enough time examining the performances of the players. Last I checked, the football players Herm Edwards sends out onto the field are on full-ride scholarships — some of them even receive lots of extra benefits. Herm, Mike Solari, Gunther Cunningham and Carl Peterson didn’t dig an 0-2 hole all by themselves. Two weeks in, I’ve identified three big-time playmakers who have yet to make a big-time play. Had any of the three made a Pro Bowl-caliber play in Denver, the Chiefs would be .500, and we’d be praising Herm and his coaching staff for surviving Trent Green’s concussion. The three players I’m about to mention have not played poorly. They just haven’t contributed at a level equal to their resumes, salaries or reputations. 1. Dante Hall: The X-Factor actually had a decent game at Invesco Field. He had a 21-yard punt return and averaged 14.4 yards on his five punt returns. He averaged 29.5 on his two kick returns. But in a game like Sunday’s — a defensive struggle — the Chiefs were counting on Hall to single-handedly put them in field-goal position at least once. It never happened. Hall’s best return, a 27-yard punt return that went to the Denver 46, was wiped out by an illegal block below the waist. Kansas City’s best field position all afternoon was when it started the game at its own 34. That drive ended with Larry Johnson’s fumble. I was a big fan of former Kansas City Chiefs special-teams coach Frank Gansz Jr., the son of a special-teams guru. Edwards chose to bring in his own coach, Mike Priefer, who is the son of longtime Detroit Lions special-teams coach Chuck Priefer. This is Mike Priefer’s first crack leading a special-teams unit. He worked for the Giants and the Jaguars as an assistant. With Green out and the Chiefs employing a conservative strategy, Priefer’s return teams must give Damon Huard a short field once or twice a game. 2. Ty Law: My favorite player is a significant upgrade over Eric Warfield. But that’s the equivalent of saying Toledo football coach Tom Amstutz looks better at a nude beach than me or Mark Mangino. Law is one of the best corners in the league. He’s paid to break up passes and create turnovers. He hasn’t done either in two games. I had no problem with the reception he gave up in overtime at Denver. Law had terrific coverage. Jake Plummer made a poor pass, and the receiver came back to the ball. My problem is that Law hasn’t broken up a pass yet. Kansas City’s scheme has him lined up off the ball much too often for my liking. Given the Chiefs’ pass-rush difficulties, Law and Patrick Surtain should be mugging receivers at the line of scrimmage so that the Chiefs can send six defenders at the quarterback. I’ll be highly disappointed if Law doesn’t make a play or two against San Francisco’s Alex Smith in a couple of weeks. 3. Patrick Surtain: Right now, Surtain and Law are being outplayed by third corner Lenny Walls. That’s unacceptable. Walls is actually rotating with Surtain and Law on the first unit. When I noticed this early in the Denver game, I was completely shocked. By the end of the game, I could see why Cunningham was doing it. Walls made a play, and I never saw him out of position. It’s nice to have a capable third cover corner. But Surtain and Law are supposed to be James Hasty and Dale Carter. On Denver’s game-winning drive, Plummer opened it going right at Surtain. Then Denver ripped off a run right up the gut of KC’s defense. Then Plummer completed the prayer in Law’s direction. A run through the heart of the defense and completions against KC’s two best defenders — at crunch time — spell trouble for the Chiefs’ defense. Just imagine if Jake Plummer were good. Again, Hall, Law and Surtain are not primarily responsible for KC’s 0-2 start. The blame can be spread in a number of areas. But these three players can and should play a big role in stopping the Chiefs from falling to 0-3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiefs workout Bradlee Van Pelt on wednesday
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09-21-2006, 06:02 AM	#2
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $5748386	I thought Dante did just fine.. but I would tend to agree with him on the other 2
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09-21-2006, 06:26 AM	#3
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6785027	Yeah, I was really hoping for some bumping at the line, but we are still dropping 5-10 yards of the WR. While this may make it easier to get the big play, it sure doesn't help stop much either. Even bad QB's in the NFL are not so bad that they overthrow that many times in a game. I also recall Jared Allen saying there were a few times where he was half a step off of getting the sack, but instead was just getting some hits on the QB. What is the best way to give him that half a step... BUMP the receivers!!!
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09-21-2006, 08:08 AM	#4
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