Arizona was a Defining Moment

Luzap · 10:31 AM

What’s the truth about the 2006 KC Chiefs? Are they a slightly better than average team that will struggle to go 9-7? Or could they be one of the NFL’s powerhouses on the road to a Super Bowl appearance?

The record would certainly indicate the former. They’re 2-2, losing to good teams (Cincinnati, Denver), and winning on bad teams (San Francisco, Arizona). That might not be the true picture, however.

Super Bowl history is replete with dark horse participants ~ teams that in October no one believed in. So why would we even hope that this years Chiefs could have such potential?

Because of the Arizona game.

Big plays were not just restricted to a few talented individuals. Almost everyone got into the act ~ it was truly a team win. From Hali, Allen, Edwards, and yes, even Bell getting critical sacks, to Knight getting critical third down stops and Wesley hitting hard and stripping the ball on a ‘sure’ deep route completion. Derek Johnson was everywhere and Cruz converted third downs in a manner we’ve not seen from a fullback in some time. Dante Hall converts third downs as a receiver, and when he gets hurt Webb steps in to return a kick 50 yards. Pollard blocks a punt, Gonzales makes a critical (and incredible) 25 yard catch, and Ty Law shows us why he can name his price with a game changing interception. If you consider that Roaf and Welborne were projected starters, then an O Line with a third string L Tackle (Black) and a second string R Tackle (Sampson) played well enough to get their QB AFC Player of the Week honors. Parker makes a great TD catch, and Larry Johnson proves he’s a Pro Bowler when after being frustrated all day, he breaks a screen pass into a 76 yard game winning completion. Tynes is money, and Huard ~ well, he’s literally playing better than most QBs in the NFL.

By my count that’s 19 players making big-time critical plays, and that doesn’t include Colquitt (who boomed a 62 yard punt), or the kick-off coverage unit that held the runner to the 18 yard line late in the game, or Shields, Weigaman, Waters, and others that had to play well for all this to happen. It was truly a well coached, well played, team victory.

So what does this mean? Nothing ~ unless they do it again in Pittsburg. Arizona was a defining moment, Pittsburg will tell the story.

No one (except the team themselves) expects the Chiefs to win at Three Rivers. Are the Chiefs for real? A loss won’t answer that question near as much as how they lose. If they play as a team, scare the heck out of a desperate Pittsburg team, but still end up slightly on the low side of the scoreboard there’s still hope. If the Chiefs get blown out ~ it’s over. The Arizona game was an aberration and means nothing more than fond memories.

If the Chiefs win however ~ watch out for the Chiefs.

Luz

this sunday is the most important game of the year…

Basileus777 · 10-13-2006, 10:29 AM

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**Mr. Kotter** · 10-13-2006, 10:30 AM

IF we can reapeat the feat in Pittsburg THIS weekend, I'll believe it.

StcChief · 10-13-2006, 10:50 AM

Pittsburg is a very key early indicator of the road power of the Chiefs. Play well or win, you have to think they have a shot.

Deberg_1990 · 10-13-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Luzap

What’s the truth about the 2006 KC Chiefs? Are they a slightly better than average team that will struggle to go 9-7?

You are correct Sir!

FAX · 10-13-2006, 10:56 AM

Thanks for fixing the really long sentence, Mr. Luzap.

I think you're right about that game. In my view, many past Chiefs teams would have folded. It's interesting, that's for sure. But Pittsburgh will be a big test for us. Rarely does a team go on the road to face another organization this pissed off, capable, and, presumably, ready to start playing winning football.

How much heart, determination, and will does this team have? We are soon to find out.

FAX

Chris Meck · 10-13-2006, 12:14 PM

I don't think you can tell yet how this will all play out.

I think you CAN say that this is a disciplined team with a lot of heart. We haven't always been able to say that in the last several years.

Coogs · 10-13-2006, 12:26 PM

Even though it was a loss, I think the game at Denver was the was the springboard to the season. That is where the foundation for the win in Arizona came from. Without that, I think we fold at 0-14 early vs the Cards.

I also see that game... not the Arizona game... as the measuring stick for what we can do in Pittsburgh this Sunday. I'm expecting the defense to give us a chance. And if Huard can duplicate the last two games, we might just get out of town with a W.

B_Ambuehl · 10-13-2006, 12:41 PM

Yes Arizona was a defining moment. Making the worst rushing attack in football look more than legit and letting a rookie quarterback behind the worst offensive line in football starting his first game light up your secondary for 2 touchdowns and go 50 yards for a potential game tying field goal in the closing seconds......

first it was no touchdowns allowed in xxx quarter...then it was no touchdown passes allowed....now it's "2nd inthe league agains 3rd downs" or whatever other bullshit stat people wanna throw out....

Bottom line ths defense isn't NEAR as good as people think because the defensive line still sucks the dog. Most of the apparent improvement is due to playing Martyball and opposing teams not playing aggressive (Denver and Cincy). They have been somewhat successful with gimmicks in the scheme but can't play a base cover 2 AT ALL because these defensive tackles suck too bad.

It will become apparent sooner or later I'm just wondering how much longer it'll take.

I think the positive defining moment is that Solari has shown he can call a game. Saunders and DV played several games without Roaf last year yet in that situation never appeared to have an offensive gameplan as good as what the Chiefs had on Sunday. For that I was happy.

Coogs · 10-16-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Yes Arizona was a defining moment. Making the worst rushing attack in football look more than legit and letting a rookie quarterback behind the worst offensive line in football starting his first game light up your secondary for 2 touchdowns and go 50 yards for a potential game tying field goal in the closing seconds......

first it was no touchdowns allowed in xxx quarter...then it was no touchdown passes allowed....now it's "2nd inthe league agains 3rd downs" or whatever other bullshit stat people wanna throw out....

Bottom line ths defense isn't NEAR as good as people think because the defensive line still sucks the dog. Most of the apparent improvement is due to playing Martyball and opposing teams not playing aggressive (Denver and Cincy). They have been somewhat successful with gimmicks in the scheme but can't play a base cover 2 AT ALL because these defensive tackles suck too bad.

It will become apparent sooner or later I'm just wondering how much longer it'll take.

All-in-all, this post seemed pretty much right on the money yesterday.

FringeNC · 10-16-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

All-in-all, this post seemed pretty much right on the money yesterday.

Yep. And on the offensive side of the ball, our lack of running against Arizona was indeed a result of our O-line and play-calling. Arizona had given up almost 300 yards on the ground the previous week, and they shut us down, and Pitt shut us down even more.

Amazingly, the offensive coaches didn't learn anything from that game, and came out throwing the same short passes and running plays which didn't even work against Arizona. It'd be one thing if Herm and Solari were trying to install a totally new system; they're not. They're using the same system, but not calling the variety of plays necessary to keep the defense honest. Yeah, Huard will make some mistakes, but can it be worse than the zero first downs we got after the first drive (until Pittsburgh lost interest).

I listened to part of the 2nd half on the radio (couldn't bear to watch it), and the radio guys were commenting that Pittsburgh corners were the weak link on their defense, and were wondering why KC hadn't tried to eploit that. It was just a pathetic attempt to play "not to lose" football against a superior team. Just a complete coaching (and execution) embarrasment on both sides of the ball.

Playing "not to lose" football is tolerable if you can actually win some games; when you lose, it is just so painful to watch.

jidar · 10-13-2006, 12:57 PM

Pittsburgh

If the Chiefs beat the Steelers in Pittsburg, KS I'll be surprised as hell.

Mark M · 10-13-2006, 01:43 PM

I'm not putting much stock in the Pitt game -- I'd love to, but the Chiefs always have issues playing there, no matter the team or coach. Something about that city ...

To me, this season has already gone better than expected after Trent went down. Not sure if it's coaching, playcalling, an underrated backup, or what, but they guys are all doing a helluva job considering the circumstances.

And the defense has it's moments of utter stupidity, but anyone who says they aren't that much better are on crack. The two TDs Leinert threw weren't to slouches, but to two of the top pass catchers in the game. And I'll take as evidence of the D's resurgence the 0 TDs in Denver over the 2 TDs in the desert from a hyped-up QB who was brought back down to earth for the remainder of the game.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm still not sure Herm's the man after he lost his players last year. But that game last week showed me something I haven't seen in 5 years from the Chiefs: toughness.

Kinda nice to have some of that back ...

MM
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**HemiEd** · 10-13-2006, 01:44 PM

I totally agree Luzap. The near miss in Denver puts even a bigger importance on this game.

Luzap · 10-13-2006, 02:05 PM

Interesting comments.

I would agree that the D Tackles are the weakest spot on our team, and also that the Denver game was important to our development.

I do, however, believe that a SB run is a process and all about getting better and healthy at the right point in the season.

I think I'm seeing progress and the Pitt game will be a good measure of that.

Luz
was amazed at the total number of players that made good plays for us...

10-13-2006, 10:25 AM	Topic Starter
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Arizona was a Defining Moment What’s the truth about the 2006 KC Chiefs? Are they a slightly better than average team that will struggle to go 9-7? Or could they be one of the NFL’s powerhouses on the road to a Super Bowl appearance? The record would certainly indicate the former. They’re 2-2, losing to good teams (Cincinnati, Denver), and winning on bad teams (San Francisco, Arizona). That might not be the true picture, however. Super Bowl history is replete with dark horse participants ~ teams that in October no one believed in. So why would we even hope that this years Chiefs could have such potential? Because of the Arizona game. Big plays were not just restricted to a few talented individuals. Almost everyone got into the act ~ it was truly a team win. From Hali, Allen, Edwards, and yes, even Bell getting critical sacks, to Knight getting critical third down stops and Wesley hitting hard and stripping the ball on a ‘sure’ deep route completion. Derek Johnson was everywhere and Cruz converted third downs in a manner we’ve not seen from a fullback in some time. Dante Hall converts third downs as a receiver, and when he gets hurt Webb steps in to return a kick 50 yards. Pollard blocks a punt, Gonzales makes a critical (and incredible) 25 yard catch, and Ty Law shows us why he can name his price with a game changing interception. If you consider that Roaf and Welborne were projected starters, then an O Line with a third string L Tackle (Black) and a second string R Tackle (Sampson) played well enough to get their QB AFC Player of the Week honors. Parker makes a great TD catch, and Larry Johnson proves he’s a Pro Bowler when after being frustrated all day, he breaks a screen pass into a 76 yard game winning completion. Tynes is money, and Huard ~ well, he’s literally playing better than most QBs in the NFL. By my count that’s 19 players making big-time critical plays, and that doesn’t include Colquitt (who boomed a 62 yard punt), or the kick-off coverage unit that held the runner to the 18 yard line late in the game, or Shields, Weigaman, Waters, and others that had to play well for all this to happen. It was truly a well coached, well played, team victory. So what does this mean? Nothing ~ unless they do it again in Pittsburg. Arizona was a defining moment, Pittsburg will tell the story. No one (except the team themselves) expects the Chiefs to win at Three Rivers. Are the Chiefs for real? A loss won’t answer that question near as much as how they lose. If they play as a team, scare the heck out of a desperate Pittsburg team, but still end up slightly on the low side of the scoreboard there’s still hope. If the Chiefs get blown out ~ it’s over. The Arizona game was an aberration and means nothing more than fond memories. If the Chiefs win however ~ watch out for the Chiefs. Luz this sunday is the most important game of the year… Last edited by Luzap; 10-13-2006 at 10:31 AM..
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Thanks for fixing the really long sentence, Mr. Luzap. I think you're right about that game. In my view, many past Chiefs teams would have folded. It's interesting, that's for sure. But Pittsburgh will be a big test for us. Rarely does a team go on the road to face another organization this pissed off, capable, and, presumably, ready to start playing winning football. How much heart, determination, and will does this team have? We are soon to find out. FAX
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10-13-2006, 12:14 PM	#7
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1405090	I don't think you can tell yet how this will all play out. I think you CAN say that this is a disciplined team with a lot of heart. We haven't always been able to say that in the last several years.
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10-13-2006, 12:26 PM	#8
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2295651	Even though it was a loss, I think the game at Denver was the was the springboard to the season. That is where the foundation for the win in Arizona came from. Without that, I think we fold at 0-14 early vs the Cards. I also see that game... not the Arizona game... as the measuring stick for what we can do in Pittsburgh this Sunday. I'm expecting the defense to give us a chance. And if Huard can duplicate the last two games, we might just get out of town with a W.
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10-13-2006, 12:41 PM	#9
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	Yes Arizona was a defining moment. Making the worst rushing attack in football look more than legit and letting a rookie quarterback behind the worst offensive line in football starting his first game light up your secondary for 2 touchdowns and go 50 yards for a potential game tying field goal in the closing seconds...... first it was no touchdowns allowed in xxx quarter...then it was no touchdown passes allowed....now it's "2nd inthe league agains 3rd downs" or whatever other bullshit stat people wanna throw out.... Bottom line ths defense isn't NEAR as good as people think because the defensive line still sucks the dog. Most of the apparent improvement is due to playing Martyball and opposing teams not playing aggressive (Denver and Cincy). They have been somewhat successful with gimmicks in the scheme but can't play a base cover 2 AT ALL because these defensive tackles suck too bad. It will become apparent sooner or later I'm just wondering how much longer it'll take. I think the positive defining moment is that Solari has shown he can call a game. Saunders and DV played several games without Roaf last year yet in that situation never appeared to have an offensive gameplan as good as what the Chiefs had on Sunday. For that I was happy. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL Last edited by B_Ambuehl; 10-13-2006 at 12:58 PM..
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10-13-2006, 01:43 PM	#13
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	I'm not putting much stock in the Pitt game -- I'd love to, but the Chiefs always have issues playing there, no matter the team or coach. Something about that city ... To me, this season has already gone better than expected after Trent went down. Not sure if it's coaching, playcalling, an underrated backup, or what, but they guys are all doing a helluva job considering the circumstances. And the defense has it's moments of utter stupidity, but anyone who says they aren't that much better are on crack. The two TDs Leinert threw weren't to slouches, but to two of the top pass catchers in the game. And I'll take as evidence of the D's resurgence the 0 TDs in Denver over the 2 TDs in the desert from a hyped-up QB who was brought back down to earth for the remainder of the game. Don't get me wrong -- I'm still not sure Herm's the man after he lost his players last year. But that game last week showed me something I haven't seen in 5 years from the Chiefs: toughness. Kinda nice to have some of that back ... MM ~~ __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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10-13-2006, 02:05 PM	#15
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Interesting comments. I would agree that the D Tackles are the weakest spot on our team, and also that the Denver game was important to our development. I do, however, believe that a SB run is a process and all about getting better and healthy at the right point in the season. I think I'm seeing progress and the Pitt game will be a good measure of that. Luz was amazed at the total number of players that made good plays for us...
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