Does time really slow down for Michael Jordan?

**jAZ** · 03-20-2008, 02:28 PM

Sort of... Theortical Physicist Michio Kaku shows two experiments on a BBC documentary called "Time" that help explain how Jordan was so clutch.

Brock · 03-20-2008, 02:30 PM

Jordan? Psshhhoooot. He was just a system player.

keg in kc · 03-20-2008, 02:36 PM

Uh oh, tests on rats. PETA's pissed.

vailpass · 03-20-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Jordan? Psshhhoooot. He was just a system player.

Oh hell no, don't compare MJ to Montana. Jordan was the Elway or Favre of the NBA.

bowener · 03-20-2008, 02:55 PM

I dont have sound at work, what is it saying? Sorry, I love physics and am curious as to what they are discussing. As your speed aproaches the speed of light, time slows down? That is true. The effects of gravity on time, also true. Was MJ a walking, talking, living, breathing enigmatic blackhole?

**jAZ** · 03-20-2008, 03:01 PM

It's about the affects of adreneline on the mind's ability to slow time or preceive it more slowly.

They show a guy dropped from a 200' structure into a net. They put a watch-like device on his wrist and ask him to read the display on the ground. The number on the device blinks so rapidly that he can't read it. It's just a blur.

When dropped from that height, he's able to see the rapidly blinking number far more clearly and reports that the nearly accurately (he mis-reads a 6 as an 8 and another 6 as a zero). But he's suprisingly accurate, suggesting that the adreniline helps slow his perception of time.

**jAZ** · 03-20-2008, 03:03 PM

They also show mice on saline, cocaine and marijana. They are previously trained to order food from a machine that will only dispense it at 12-second intervals.

The cocaine mouse orders at 8 seconds. The MJ one orders at 16 seconds. The saline one orders exactly at 12 seconds as expected. Showing how cocaine has the same affect as adreniline.

vailpass · 03-20-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

They also show mice on saline, cocaine and marijana. They are previously trained to order food from a machine that will only dispense it at 12-second intervals.

The cocaine mouse orders at 8 seconds. The MJ one orders at 16 seconds. The saline one orders exactly at 12 seconds as expected. Showing how cocaine has the same affect as adreniline.

Cool. How much does a 'teener of adrenaline go for?

**Bowser** · 03-20-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I dont have sound at work, what is it saying? Sorry, I love physics and am curious as to what they are discussing. As your speed aproaches the speed of light, time slows down? That is true. The effects of gravity on time, also true. Was MJ a walking, talking, living, breathing enigmatic blackhole?

That's only if you BELIEVE in the laws of physics.

Demonpenz · 03-20-2008, 04:49 PM

it was slow with the bulls but caught up with the wizzards

Halfcan · 03-20-2008, 04:50 PM

hgh??

KCChiefsMan · 03-20-2008, 04:56 PM

we will never see another player as dominating, as clutch and as much of a catalyst for his team. I mean come on, he had a good surrounding team but with no MJ=no championships!

**alnorth** · 03-20-2008, 05:02 PM

I dont buy the physics argument, but as jAZ noted, adrenaline can make time seem to slow for you.

Basically, the way it works, is that your brain is normally able to process images from your eyes only X times per second. However, during times of extreme stress when your panic fight or flight reaction kicks in, your brain kicks your perception into high gear. This allows you to process images from your eyes 2 or 3 times faster than normal, so although time moves merrily along as normal, to your panicked perception, it looks like time has slowed down.

This is a survival function to allow you to see, think, and react a lot quicker to possibly save yourself. As a nice added side-bonus, this can kick in even if your life is not in danger, if your in a situation with very high stress.

e.g. idiot driver swerves into your lane head-on, you get the "oh s**t" moment, your brain kicks into survival mode, and you can see the road better, time seems to slow, and you react faster.

Kylo Ren · 03-20-2008, 07:38 PM

The moderator sounds like Rob Schneider.

Fish · 03-20-2008, 08:05 PM

Time Out of Mind

By STEFAN KLEIN
Published: March 7, 2008
Berlin

IN 1784, Benjamin Franklin composed a satire, “Essay on Daylight Saving,” proposing a law that would oblige Parisians to get up an hour earlier in summer. By putting the daylight to better use, he reasoned, they’d save a good deal of money — 96 million livres tournois — that might otherwise go to buying candles. Now this switch to daylight saving time (which occurs early Sunday in the United States) is an annual ritual in Western countries.

Even more influential has been something else Franklin said about time in the same year: time is money. He meant this only as a gentle reminder not to “sit idle” for half the day. He might be dismayed if he could see how literally, and self-destructively, we take his metaphor today. Our society is obsessed as never before with making every single minute count. People even apply the language of banking: We speak of “having” and “saving” and “investing” and “wasting” it.

But the quest to spend time the way we do money is doomed to failure, because the time we experience bears little relation to time as read on a clock. The brain creates its own time, and it is this inner time, not clock time, that guides our actions. In the space of an hour, we can accomplish a great deal — or very little.

Inner time is linked to activity. When we do nothing, and nothing happens around us, we’re unable to track time. In 1962, Michel Siffre, a French geologist, confined himself in a dark cave and discovered that he lost his sense of time. Emerging after what he had calculated were 45 days, he was startled to find that a full 61 days had elapsed.

To measure time, the brain uses circuits that are designed to monitor physical movement. Neuroscientists have observed this phenomenon using computer-assisted functional magnetic resonance imaging tomography. When subjects are asked to indicate the time it takes to view a series of pictures, heightened activity is measured in the centers that control muscular movement, primarily the cerebellum, the basal ganglia and the supplementary motor area. That explains why inner time can run faster or slower depending upon how we move our bodies — as any Tai Chi master knows.

Time seems to expand when our senses are aroused. Peter Tse, a neuropsychologist at Dartmouth, demonstrated this in an experiment in which subjects were shown a sequence of flashing dots on a computer screen. The dots were timed to occur once a second, with five black dots in a row followed by one moving, colored one. Because the colored dot appeared so infrequently, it grabbed subjects’ attention and they perceived it as lasting twice as long as the others did.

Another ingenious bit of research, conducted in Germany, demonstrated that within a brief time frame the brain can shift events forward or backward. Subjects were asked to play a video game that involved steering airplanes, but the joystick was programmed to react only after a brief delay. After playing a while, the players stopped being aware of the time lag. But when the scientists eliminated the delay, the subjects suddenly felt as though they were staring into the future. It was as though the airplanes were moving on their own before the subjects had directed them to do so.
The brain’s inclination to distort time is one reason we so often feel we have too little of it. One in three Americans feels rushed all the time, according to one survey. Even the cleverest use of time-management techniques is powerless to augment the sum of minutes in our life (some 52 million, optimistically assuming a life expectancy of 100 years), so we squeeze as much as we can into each one.

Believing time is money to lose, we perceive our shortage of time as stressful. Thus, our fight-or-flight instinct is engaged, and the regions of the brain we use to calmly and sensibly plan our time get switched off. We become fidgety, erratic and rash.

Tasks take longer. We make mistakes — which take still more time to iron out. Who among us has not been locked out of an apartment or lost a wallet when in a great hurry? The perceived lack of time becomes real: We are not stressed because we have no time, but rather, we have no time because we are stressed.

Studies have shown the alarming extent of the problem: office workers are no longer able to stay focused on one specific task for more than about three minutes, which means a great loss of productivity. The misguided notion that time is money actually costs us money.

And it costs us time. People in industrial nations lose more years from disability and premature death due to stress-related illnesses like heart disease and depression than from other ailments. In scrambling to use time to the hilt, we wind up with less of it.

The remedy is to liberate ourselves from Franklin’s equation. Time is not money but “the element in which we exist,” as Joyce Carol Oates put it more than two decades ago (in a relatively leisurely era). “We are either borne along by it or drowned in it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/op...=1&oref=slogin

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jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9817493	It's about the affects of adreneline on the mind's ability to slow time or preceive it more slowly. They show a guy dropped from a 200' structure into a net. They put a watch-like device on his wrist and ask him to read the display on the ground. The number on the device blinks so rapidly that he can't read it. It's just a blur. When dropped from that height, he's able to see the rapidly blinking number far more clearly and reports that the nearly accurately (he mis-reads a 6 as an 8 and another 6 as a zero). But he's suprisingly accurate, suggesting that the adreniline helps slow his perception of time.
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jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9817493	They also show mice on saline, cocaine and marijana. They are previously trained to order food from a machine that will only dispense it at 12-second intervals. The cocaine mouse orders at 8 seconds. The MJ one orders at 16 seconds. The saline one orders exactly at 12 seconds as expected. Showing how cocaine has the same affect as adreniline.
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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	I dont buy the physics argument, but as jAZ noted, adrenaline can make time seem to slow for you. Basically, the way it works, is that your brain is normally able to process images from your eyes only X times per second. However, during times of extreme stress when your panic fight or flight reaction kicks in, your brain kicks your perception into high gear. This allows you to process images from your eyes 2 or 3 times faster than normal, so although time moves merrily along as normal, to your panicked perception, it looks like time has slowed down. This is a survival function to allow you to see, think, and react a lot quicker to possibly save yourself. As a nice added side-bonus, this can kick in even if your life is not in danger, if your in a situation with very high stress. e.g. idiot driver swerves into your lane head-on, you get the "oh s**t" moment, your brain kicks into survival mode, and you can see the road better, time seems to slow, and you react faster. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1431081	Time Out of Mind By STEFAN KLEIN Published: March 7, 2008 Berlin IN 1784, Benjamin Franklin composed a satire, “Essay on Daylight Saving,” proposing a law that would oblige Parisians to get up an hour earlier in summer. By putting the daylight to better use, he reasoned, they’d save a good deal of money — 96 million livres tournois — that might otherwise go to buying candles. Now this switch to daylight saving time (which occurs early Sunday in the United States) is an annual ritual in Western countries. Even more influential has been something else Franklin said about time in the same year: time is money. He meant this only as a gentle reminder not to “sit idle” for half the day. He might be dismayed if he could see how literally, and self-destructively, we take his metaphor today. Our society is obsessed as never before with making every single minute count. People even apply the language of banking: We speak of “having” and “saving” and “investing” and “wasting” it. But the quest to spend time the way we do money is doomed to failure, because the time we experience bears little relation to time as read on a clock. The brain creates its own time, and it is this inner time, not clock time, that guides our actions. In the space of an hour, we can accomplish a great deal — or very little. Inner time is linked to activity. When we do nothing, and nothing happens around us, we’re unable to track time. In 1962, Michel Siffre, a French geologist, confined himself in a dark cave and discovered that he lost his sense of time. Emerging after what he had calculated were 45 days, he was startled to find that a full 61 days had elapsed. To measure time, the brain uses circuits that are designed to monitor physical movement. Neuroscientists have observed this phenomenon using computer-assisted functional magnetic resonance imaging tomography. When subjects are asked to indicate the time it takes to view a series of pictures, heightened activity is measured in the centers that control muscular movement, primarily the cerebellum, the basal ganglia and the supplementary motor area. That explains why inner time can run faster or slower depending upon how we move our bodies — as any Tai Chi master knows. Time seems to expand when our senses are aroused. Peter Tse, a neuropsychologist at Dartmouth, demonstrated this in an experiment in which subjects were shown a sequence of flashing dots on a computer screen. The dots were timed to occur once a second, with five black dots in a row followed by one moving, colored one. Because the colored dot appeared so infrequently, it grabbed subjects’ attention and they perceived it as lasting twice as long as the others did. Another ingenious bit of research, conducted in Germany, demonstrated that within a brief time frame the brain can shift events forward or backward. Subjects were asked to play a video game that involved steering airplanes, but the joystick was programmed to react only after a brief delay. After playing a while, the players stopped being aware of the time lag. But when the scientists eliminated the delay, the subjects suddenly felt as though they were staring into the future. It was as though the airplanes were moving on their own before the subjects had directed them to do so. The brain’s inclination to distort time is one reason we so often feel we have too little of it. One in three Americans feels rushed all the time, according to one survey. Even the cleverest use of time-management techniques is powerless to augment the sum of minutes in our life (some 52 million, optimistically assuming a life expectancy of 100 years), so we squeeze as much as we can into each one. Believing time is money to lose, we perceive our shortage of time as stressful. Thus, our fight-or-flight instinct is engaged, and the regions of the brain we use to calmly and sensibly plan our time get switched off. We become fidgety, erratic and rash. Tasks take longer. We make mistakes — which take still more time to iron out. Who among us has not been locked out of an apartment or lost a wallet when in a great hurry? The perceived lack of time becomes real: We are not stressed because we have no time, but rather, we have no time because we are stressed. Studies have shown the alarming extent of the problem: office workers are no longer able to stay focused on one specific task for more than about three minutes, which means a great loss of productivity. The misguided notion that time is money actually costs us money. And it costs us time. People in industrial nations lose more years from disability and premature death due to stress-related illnesses like heart disease and depression than from other ailments. In scrambling to use time to the hilt, we wind up with less of it. The remedy is to liberate ourselves from Franklin’s equation. Time is not money but “the element in which we exist,” as Joyce Carol Oates put it more than two decades ago (in a relatively leisurely era). “We are either borne along by it or drowned in it.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/op...=1&oref=slogin __________________
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