Teicher: Candidates emerge for Chiefs’ offensive coordinator position

booger · 01-12-2008, 01:20 AM

Candidates emerge for Chiefs’ offensive coordinator position
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Whether he is Eric Price, Chan Gailey, Mike Shula or another possible candidate, the Chiefs hope to have an offensive coordinator in place by this time next week.

“I’d like to get the process completed before the Senior Bowl, but I’m not going to rush it,” said Chiefs coach Herm Edwards. Practice for the college all-star game in Mobile, Ala., begins on Jan. 21.

“We’re going to be as thorough as possible,” Edwards said. “When you’re talking about hiring a coordinator, you need a person who understands that position is an all-day, every-day deal. Whether it’s in the meetings with the players, on the practice field or at night with the coaching staff, there are a lot of demands on the person in this position. At the end of the day, it’s my job to make sure we’re making the best decision for our football team.”

Edwards wouldn’t confirm candidates, but sources indicated he has already met with Price and Gailey and may eventually do so with Shula.

The known candidates have diverse backgrounds. Price, the offensive coordinator at Texas-El Paso and son of UTEP head coach Mike Price, is unheralded, but Edwards appears to consider him a rising star. Price, 41, was once an offensive assistant for Edwards when he coached the New York Jets. Running a spread offense, UTEP averaged more than 30 points in three of Price’s four seasons as coordinator.

Gailey, 56, is a coaching veteran. Gailey in his 34-year career has coordinated offenses for the Broncos, Steelers and Dolphins and been a head coach for the Cowboys and Georgia Tech. He was fired at Georgia Tech in November after six seasons.

Shula, 42, is a mix of the two. The son of Don Shula, he was the offensive coordinator for Tampa Bay in the late 1990s while Edwards served as defensive-backs coach. He later became head coach at Alabama, where he worked with current Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle.

Shula currently is quarterbacks coach for Jacksonville.

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy,” Edwards said. “As a coaching staff we all need to be on the same page. To me, it’s about our players and not a system, and we’re looking for someone who is in full agreement with that approach.”

To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, send e-mail to [email protected]
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01-12-2008, 01:27 AM

I guess Adam didn't want to stir crap this time around. No mention of Paul.

bowener · 01-12-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy,” Edwards said. “As a coaching staff we all need to be on the same page. To me, it’s about our players and not a system, and we’re looking for someone who is in full agreement with that approach.”

To me, that seems to be contradictory. If you do not want to put a system in place to which your players are not well suited for, then why would you put a OC in a philosphy he is not well suited for... or better yet, why would you have a 'philosophy' on offense that your players might not suit?

So, what he is saying it seems, is that if he had Tom Brady and Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Jerry Rice in his prime, a finesse pass blocking OL, and a small quick back like Marshall Faulk, Herm would run it between the tackles all damn game because that is his philosophy? That is ****ing reeruned... god he is ****ing reeruned.

I understand what he is saying, yes. He wants to us to be a big O that can bruise you and run it on you. That is his philosphy, ball control and predicatability. But if that is his philosophy we might as well take the UTEP guys name out of the hat.

FAX · 01-12-2008, 01:44 AM

Air Chaos.

FAX

BigRock · 01-12-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener

To me, that seems to be contradictory. If you do not want to put a system in place to which your players are not well suited for, then why would you put a OC in a philosphy he is not well suited for... or better yet, why would you have a 'philosophy' on offense that your players might not suit?

So, what he is saying it seems, is that if he had Tom Brady and Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Jerry Rice in his prime, a finesse pass blocking OL, and a small quick back like Marshall Faulk, Herm would run it between the tackles all damn game because that is his philosophy? That is ****ing reeruned... god he is ****ing reeruned.

I understand what he is saying, yes. He wants to us to be a big O that can bruise you and run it on you. That is his philosphy, ball control and predicatability. But if that is his philosophy we might as well take the UTEP guys name out of the hat.

By "philosophy", he's talking about the approach that the coordinator needs to run an offense that fits the players, not make the players run an offense that fits the coordinator. He wants someone who agrees with that and understands it, not someone who will try to bring in a system that doesn't fit who we have here.

He's not referring to anything on the field at all.

bowener · 01-12-2008, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

By "philosophy", he's talking about the approach that the coordinator needs to run an offense that fits the players, not make the players run an offense that fits the coordinator. He wants someone who agrees with that and understands it, not someone who will try to bring in a system that doesn't fit who we have here.

He's not referring to anything on the field at all.

I took it as Herm has his philosophy that he wants the OC to follow. And the OC will help Herm install a scheme that fits the players. So what I was getting at is what if his philosophy doesnt fit the players?

edit: for example: Herm's philosophy is to control the clock and the ball, no turnovers, more running less throwing. So what happens when he and the OC go to make a scheme that 'fits' the players and they find that our team and the players are better suited to throwing the ball and spreading it out more, ie. throwing to set up the run. will he change his philosophy to fit his players, or will he stick with his philosophy and make the OC find a new scheme that 'fits' the players the relies on running the ball more?

booger · 01-12-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I guess Adam didn't want to stir crap this time around. No mention of Paul.

I hear he's endorsing Hillary.

booger · 01-12-2008, 02:27 AM

Interestingly, Shula was QB coach under Gailey at Miami (wandstadt) after his HC stint in dallas and before leaving for Gtech. I imagine it would have to be a flip flop this time around for both to join. Unless Jags fire Shula or he signed a 1yr deal he can't make the lateral jump. I find it somewhat odd that we tried a year ago to hire shula and he chose jax instead. That was the only way Herm looked before moving Curl to QB coach to replace Shea.

Gailey could bring in guys he has ties with like Mike Mularky(if he doesn't get an OC offer) and Hudson Hauck OL coach who was a longtime Dallas OL coach and later Miami with Gailey and just fired by Parcells. Although he may retire.

If we go Price I would be happy we took a chance in a way we usually wouldn't. He might be able to step right in for his dad once he retires from UTEP so you have to consider that as well.

Havn't heard anything on Jeremy Bates from Denver since BRC's thread on it. I'd like to see them get him, a 31 yr old who cut his teeth under Gruden then at NYJ in 05 before denver. Young but has been around some good minds. Then try and hire a Gailey for position coach or Callahan as OLcoach/running game CO. That is a role Mangini is looking at Callahan for in NYJ to help B. Schottenheimer go further as a CO. Whoever just someone who has OC/HC experience with a good Offensive background and would come to KC to help tutor Bates.
Unlikely though.

BigRock · 01-12-2008, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I took it as Herm has his philosophy that he wants the OC to follow. And the OC will help Herm install a scheme that fits the players. So what I was getting at is what if his philosophy doesnt fit the players?

I think you're letting the word "philosophy" sidetrack you into thinking about on-field things, running and ball control and such. Herm's not talking about anything on-field related in this context.

But he does have an offensive philosophy like you described, certainly. If he's the one building the team and choosing the players, I doubt he's going to pick guys who don't fit into how he wants the team to play. He picked Bowe, a thicker strong WR who can block and battle for yards after the catch, not a smaller quicker WR like Vermeil and Saunders seemed to prefer. I would assume he'd continue in that manner.

But if the way he wants to play doesn't work, like this season when we couldn't run the ball, we'll probably have no choice but to throw it more. It took awhile but eventually we did get away from running RBs right up the center's butt every play this past year.

booger · 01-12-2008, 05:16 AM

Carson Palmers QB Coach

Ken Zampese.

Has a couple years Coryell(which Herm doesn't want) but has been part of the rise of the Bengals offense since.

shyguyms · 01-12-2008, 08:11 AM

“The key is really finding the right individual who understands our philosophy,” Edwards said. “As a coaching staff we all need to be on the same page. To me, it’s about our players and not a system, and we’re looking for someone who is in full agreement with that approach.”

holy shit herm now you want the new guy to act like he is as dumb as you what a philosophy

FringeNC · 01-12-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

By "philosophy", he's talking about the approach that the coordinator needs to run an offense that fits the players, not make the players run an offense that fits the coordinator. He wants someone who agrees with that and understands it, not someone who will try to bring in a system that doesn't fit who we have here.

He's not referring to anything on the field at all.

What OC doesn't tweak his system to fit his personnel's strengths?

Unfortunately, I think what Herm is trying to say is that the OC's system is going to be trumped by Herm's play-not-to-lose philosophy, and the OC better be prepared to operate under that mandate.

stonedstooge · 01-12-2008, 08:43 AM

If he picks someone that has already worked for him, wouldn't they already be ruined? I thought that was the effect working for him did to a person.

KCFalcon59 · 01-12-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

“We’re going to be as thorough as possible,” Edwards said.

Unlike how they hired herm.

TEX · 01-12-2008, 09:24 AM

At the end of the day, it’s my job to make sure we’re making the best decision for our football team.”

Herm - then please quit at the end of this day.

01-12-2008, 01:20 AM
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booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2391450	Interestingly, Shula was QB coach under Gailey at Miami (wandstadt) after his HC stint in dallas and before leaving for Gtech. I imagine it would have to be a flip flop this time around for both to join. Unless Jags fire Shula or he signed a 1yr deal he can't make the lateral jump. I find it somewhat odd that we tried a year ago to hire shula and he chose jax instead. That was the only way Herm looked before moving Curl to QB coach to replace Shea. Gailey could bring in guys he has ties with like Mike Mularky(if he doesn't get an OC offer) and Hudson Hauck OL coach who was a longtime Dallas OL coach and later Miami with Gailey and just fired by Parcells. Although he may retire. If we go Price I would be happy we took a chance in a way we usually wouldn't. He might be able to step right in for his dad once he retires from UTEP so you have to consider that as well. Havn't heard anything on Jeremy Bates from Denver since BRC's thread on it. I'd like to see them get him, a 31 yr old who cut his teeth under Gruden then at NYJ in 05 before denver. Young but has been around some good minds. Then try and hire a Gailey for position coach or Callahan as OLcoach/running game CO. That is a role Mangini is looking at Callahan for in NYJ to help B. Schottenheimer go further as a CO. Whoever just someone who has OC/HC experience with a good Offensive background and would come to KC to help tutor Bates. Unlikely though. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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