My take on the game...

voyager · 09-09-2001, 05:54 PM

The Raiders seemed to play with more confidence. They also had a much better running game than the Chiefs. The return by the Raiders at the end of the game turned the momentum of the game to the Raiders. You have to keep the Raiders inside their own 40-yd. line on the return. The Chiefs outplayed the Raiders the whole game and lose on poor special-teams play. That includes the missed FG by Peterson. I think the Chiefs can still win 10 games this year, but this was a hard loss to take when you are up by 11 pts. in the second half.

N.CalSuperChief · 09-09-2001, 07:27 PM

Okay, we lost our opener!
Tough one? yes, but all is not lost. The chiefs only have 4 games ( basically scrimages ) under thier belts going into a game against a team that has played a couple of years in a program. The Chiefs will melt together and settle down as a awsome team in this new scheme. The special teams play needs work, but now they can address what thier problem is and cure it. The team is neither in the gutter or the season lost. Coach V. will make the adjustments needed to tune his team into the flesh eating pirahnanas it looks like they can be. To avenge Arrowhead we must collect scalps at oakharlum. I'll bet next week we'll see a much different situation.

A loss doesn't tarnish faith, if it did the stadium would have been empty!

**Rausch** · 09-09-2001, 07:32 PM

My problem is not losing to the Raiders...

I said myself that if we keep it within 7 pts I'd be happy.

I am happy.

With the defense. Overjoyed actually.

Our offense was soooooooooo pathetic that I almost think Girlbac could have done better. Green was given a LOT of time on a LOT of plays and he still wasn't impressive other than his last drive.

Offensively an F....

But for the defense to play so admirably with soo many questions they get a week one A....

Game one, so this offense may come together yet. I'm willing to give it time. But they still underperformed and our back up center is a slob. He can't even snap the ball correctly.

Hopefully Robinson can keep up the good work and Saunders can work out the bugs in the system.

voyager · 09-09-2001, 07:33 PM

New coach, new QB, new coordinators...same old Chiefs. When will the Chiefs learn how to win a big game at home after outplaying the other team for most of the game? This loss could have very well cost the Chiefs a shot at the playoffs in 2001.

The Chiefs just don't seem to have the talent level of teams like the Raiders, Broncos, Titans, Colts, etc. Only one pass was caught by a WR in the game if my info is correct. Do the Chiefs know they are playing in the NFL?

Dusto · 09-09-2001, 07:36 PM

I figured it would take a couple of games for the offense to gel together. I thought the defense played pretty good except for the fourth quarter. Hoping the Chiefs kicks Seattles butt next week.

Brock · 09-09-2001, 07:41 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by voyager [/i]
[B]New coach, new QB, new coordinators...same old Chiefs. [/B][/QUOTE]

What was the Raiders' record in Jon Gruden's first year? Did he turn the Raiders around in a week?

voyager · 09-09-2001, 07:54 PM

Holmes has 7 rushes for 21 yds...Richardson has 6 rushes for 3 yds. Holmes and Richardson must have 10 rushes each per game at a minimum for the Chiefs to be effective. The gameplan had much to be desired. The Chiefs must establish a running game with Holmes and Richardson.

Davechief · 09-09-2001, 08:06 PM

I'll agree the offense needs to improve. With the addition of all the new players I expected better results, but it make take a little time to get the system down. I think Priest Holmes will be fine when our line starts opening a few holes for him.

voyager · 09-10-2001, 05:17 AM

I see where Vermiel said he was not a miracle worker after the game on Sunday. It did not take a miracle to win the game...just some basic offense and special teams' play. Nobody touched the Raider return man on the kickoff until he got near midfield. That is ridiculous. Apparently, the Chiefs took a nap on the play. Like I said before...new coach, new QB, new coordinators... but same old results. The Chiefs' players stand around too much and look for the other guy to make plays. This seems to happen in all 3 phases of the game. Don't just stand there...DO something!

There are two things I noticed about the defense...the interior D-line is porous and the CBs can be beat somewhat easily. Good luck against the Seahawks.

**Bob Dole** · 09-10-2001, 05:36 AM

This, most definitely, is <b>not</b> the "same old Chiefs." The results were the same, but it ends at that.

Ugly Duck · 09-10-2001, 07:32 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by voyager [/i]
[B] The Chiefs outplayed the Raiders the whole game and lose on poor special-teams play. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hmmmmm......

427 - 254 Total net yards
100 - 35 Net Yards rushing
327 - 219 Net Yards Passing
37:57 - 22:03 Time Of Possession

Lemme go check some other stuff........

redbrian · 09-10-2001, 07:52 AM

Just my two cents.
I don't recall any offsides or pass interference calls on the Chiefs.
And I don't think that was because the refs missed them. That improvement alone is worth what 2 or 3 more wins this year?
And I hate to say it but I have to agree with the fat man, the next meeting between these two teams is going to be great. The Chiefs will improve and the Raiders will be the same ole Raiders (didn't you just love that stupid personal).

KCTitus · 09-10-2001, 07:55 AM

I agree, Duck, the Chiefs did NOT outplay the Raiders yesterday.

Not even close.

KC's only real drive came very late in the game. KC really didnt deserve to win that game. They did too little too late.

Gaz · 09-10-2001, 08:09 AM

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In no particular order:

We do not have the DTs to sustain interior pressure. We have to blitz to get inside pressure and that is a recipe for disaster. The anticipated return of Williams will not, IMO, alter that equation.

Before the game, Vermeil said that the OL is the last thing to gel. He nailed it. Until the OL improves the run blocking, we will depend solely on the pass. Another recipe for disaster.

Pass blocking, on the other hand, was pretty good.

Stryzinski is worth what we paid for him.

Waters was thrust into a pressure cooker and did fairly well, with [2] HUGE exceptions.

A blitzing Defense will get you burned on occasion. There were [2] big plays to Brown and a breakdown on the TD by the FB. I am willing to pay that price, but I was disappointed to see Robinson throttle back in the second half. IMO, that was a mistake.

Patton and Bush can play in this scheme. Both impressed me.

Green looked bad. He only had eyes for Gonzalez. Several times, I saw him throw to a covered Gonzo when I could see Richardson open. He also overthrew a lot for a QB whose main selling point is accuracy. First game jitters, perhaps?

The BB is pretty typical after a loss. Some Enemy Trolls arfing [which is totally within their rights, BTW]. Some Enemy fans talking about the game. Some Chiefs fans inarticulate with despair. Some Chiefs fans taking the defeat in stride and analyzing for good, bad and ugly stuff. I read them all [except for the really childish stuff] and then decide which thread to join.

I saw nothing in this game that surprised me. Big plays killed us, which is to be expected in the first game under a new regime. As I have proclaimed throughout the off-season, I am looking for steady improvement this year. I will not panic or despair unless I see the same problems at the end of the season. This is what "rebuilding" looks like, and I have the patience to wait for the results.

xoxo~
Gaz
Preparing wet compresses for The Fan's fevered brow.
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redbrian · 09-10-2001, 08:11 AM

I have to agree with the fatman, what we saw from the Raiders (and I don't think there as good as hyped) was as good as the Raiders will be all year.
By the next game the Chiefs offense will have jelled and the defense will be even better.
Gannon won't get away with intentionally grounding the ball (that is if Gannon is still playing by then, he is going to get hit a lot this year).

09-09-2001, 05:54 PM
voyager Go Chiefs! Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	My take on the game... The Raiders seemed to play with more confidence. They also had a much better running game than the Chiefs. The return by the Raiders at the end of the game turned the momentum of the game to the Raiders. You have to keep the Raiders inside their own 40-yd. line on the return. The Chiefs outplayed the Raiders the whole game and lose on poor special-teams play. That includes the missed FG by Peterson. I think the Chiefs can still win 10 games this year, but this was a hard loss to take when you are up by 11 pts. in the second half.
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09-09-2001, 07:27 PM	#2
N.CalSuperChief Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	All is not lost! Okay, we lost our opener! Tough one? yes, but all is not lost. The chiefs only have 4 games ( basically scrimages ) under thier belts going into a game against a team that has played a couple of years in a program. The Chiefs will melt together and settle down as a awsome team in this new scheme. The special teams play needs work, but now they can address what thier problem is and cure it. The team is neither in the gutter or the season lost. Coach V. will make the adjustments needed to tune his team into the flesh eating pirahnanas it looks like they can be. To avenge Arrowhead we must collect scalps at oakharlum. I'll bet next week we'll see a much different situation. A loss doesn't tarnish faith, if it did the stadium would have been empty!
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09-09-2001, 07:33 PM	#4
voyager Go Chiefs! Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	New coach, new QB, new coordinators...same old Chiefs. When will the Chiefs learn how to win a big game at home after outplaying the other team for most of the game? This loss could have very well cost the Chiefs a shot at the playoffs in 2001. The Chiefs just don't seem to have the talent level of teams like the Raiders, Broncos, Titans, Colts, etc. Only one pass was caught by a WR in the game if my info is correct. Do the Chiefs know they are playing in the NFL?
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09-09-2001, 07:36 PM	#5
Dusto Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: That Depends Casino cash: $9547875	I figured it would take a couple of games for the offense to gel together. I thought the defense played pretty good except for the fourth quarter. Hoping the Chiefs kicks Seattles butt next week.
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09-09-2001, 07:41 PM	#6
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by voyager [/i] [B]New coach, new QB, new coordinators...same old Chiefs. [/B][/QUOTE] What was the Raiders' record in Jon Gruden's first year? Did he turn the Raiders around in a week?
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09-09-2001, 07:54 PM	#7
voyager Go Chiefs! Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Holmes has 7 rushes for 21 yds...Richardson has 6 rushes for 3 yds. Holmes and Richardson must have 10 rushes each per game at a minimum for the Chiefs to be effective. The gameplan had much to be desired. The Chiefs must establish a running game with Holmes and Richardson.
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09-09-2001, 08:06 PM	#8
Davechief Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: West Liberty, IA Casino cash: $9884905	I'll agree the offense needs to improve. With the addition of all the new players I expected better results, but it make take a little time to get the system down. I think Priest Holmes will be fine when our line starts opening a few holes for him.
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09-10-2001, 05:17 AM	#9
voyager Go Chiefs! Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I see where Vermiel said he was not a miracle worker after the game on Sunday. It did not take a miracle to win the game...just some basic offense and special teams' play. Nobody touched the Raider return man on the kickoff until he got near midfield. That is ridiculous. Apparently, the Chiefs took a nap on the play. Like I said before...new coach, new QB, new coordinators... but same old results. The Chiefs' players stand around too much and look for the other guy to make plays. This seems to happen in all 3 phases of the game. Don't just stand there...DO something! There are two things I noticed about the defense...the interior D-line is porous and the CBs can be beat somewhat easily. Good luck against the Seahawks.
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09-10-2001, 05:36 AM	#10
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1344563	This, most definitely, is <b>not</b> the "same old Chiefs." The results were the same, but it ends at that.
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09-10-2001, 07:32 AM	#11
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	Re: My take on the game... [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by voyager [/i] [B] The Chiefs outplayed the Raiders the whole game and lose on poor special-teams play. [/B][/QUOTE] Hmmmmm...... 427 - 254 Total net yards 100 - 35 Net Yards rushing 327 - 219 Net Yards Passing 37:57 - 22:03 Time Of Possession Lemme go check some other stuff........
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09-10-2001, 07:52 AM	#12
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Just my two cents. I don't recall any offsides or pass interference calls on the Chiefs. And I don't think that was because the refs missed them. That improvement alone is worth what 2 or 3 more wins this year? And I hate to say it but I have to agree with the fat man, the next meeting between these two teams is going to be great. The Chiefs will improve and the Raiders will be the same ole Raiders (didn't you just love that stupid personal).
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09-10-2001, 07:55 AM	#13
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	I agree, Duck, the Chiefs did NOT outplay the Raiders yesterday. Not even close. KC's only real drive came very late in the game. KC really didnt deserve to win that game. They did too little too late. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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09-10-2001, 08:09 AM	#14
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	GazThoughts, for anyone interested... [font=Garamond][size=4] In no particular order: We do not have the DTs to sustain interior pressure. We have to blitz to get inside pressure and that is a recipe for disaster. The anticipated return of Williams will not, IMO, alter that equation. Before the game, Vermeil said that the OL is the last thing to gel. He nailed it. Until the OL improves the run blocking, we will depend solely on the pass. Another recipe for disaster. Pass blocking, on the other hand, was pretty good. Stryzinski is worth what we paid for him. Waters was thrust into a pressure cooker and did fairly well, with [2] HUGE exceptions. A blitzing Defense will get you burned on occasion. There were [2] big plays to Brown and a breakdown on the TD by the FB. I am willing to pay that price, but I was disappointed to see Robinson throttle back in the second half. IMO, that was a mistake. Patton and Bush can play in this scheme. Both impressed me. Green looked bad. He only had eyes for Gonzalez. Several times, I saw him throw to a covered Gonzo when I could see Richardson open. He also overthrew a lot for a QB whose main selling point is accuracy. First game jitters, perhaps? The BB is pretty typical after a loss. Some Enemy Trolls arfing [which is totally within their rights, BTW]. Some Enemy fans talking about the game. Some Chiefs fans inarticulate with despair. Some Chiefs fans taking the defeat in stride and analyzing for good, bad and ugly stuff. I read them all [except for the really childish stuff] and then decide which thread to join. I saw nothing in this game that surprised me. Big plays killed us, which is to be expected in the first game under a new regime. As I have proclaimed throughout the off-season, I am looking for steady improvement this year. I will not panic or despair unless I see the same problems at the end of the season. This is what "rebuilding" looks like, and I have the patience to wait for the results. xoxo~ Gaz Preparing wet compresses for The Fan's fevered brow. [/font][/size]
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09-10-2001, 08:11 AM	#15
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I have to agree with the fatman, what we saw from the Raiders (and I don't think there as good as hyped) was as good as the Raiders will be all year. By the next game the Chiefs offense will have jelled and the defense will be even better. Gannon won't get away with intentionally grounding the ball (that is if Gannon is still playing by then, he is going to get hit a lot this year).
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