Chiefs What Clark has created by NOT firing Herm immediately...

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2008, 12:36 AM

UNCERTAINTY...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/957115.html

Uncertainty hangs over the Chiefs
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The typical last-day-of-school scenes played out at the Chiefs’ Truman Sports Complex practice facility Monday. Players said their goodbyes and walked out for the season carrying black trash bags loaded with their belongings.

Each year, the tableaus carry an overwhelming sense of finality. This year, there’s also the awareness that they could eventually return to a very different world.

The next time the Chiefs convene as a group, sometime in March or April, they will have a new general manager — and perhaps a new coach. That means uncertainty for all, even players who are sure of having a job next season.

One is safety Jarrad Page. One of the Chiefs’ better defensive players, Page has known only one head coach, defensive coordinator and secondary coach in his three NFL seasons.

When he’s back in the spring, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and David Gibbs could be working elsewhere.

“I try not to think about it,” Page said. “So many scenarios can go through your head. Who could it be in the end? What kind of guy would it be? I don’t know.

“I feel I can work with people. Whatever decision is made, I’ll be fine and I feel this team will be fine. I won’t figure out how I’m going to deal with it until I figure out what the situation is.

“I don’t think players are getting too stressed out about it. Whatever’s going to happen is going to happen.”

Edwards and his staff still had their jobs Monday. They most likely will at least until chairman Clark Hunt hires a new general manager to replace the departed Carl Peterson. The two will then decide whether Edwards will be retained.

Until then, Edwards is going about his business, but he acknowledged during Monday’s occasionally awkward season-ending news conference that some of the business he might normally tend to at this point is off-limits because of his tenuous situation.

Edwards might like to make changes on his staff, particularly the defensive assistants, but that apparently will have to wait.

“I’m not free to do anything except evaluate our players until we find out who the GM is and he comes in and decides what he’s going to do,” Edwards said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate our players.”

That state of limbo has Edwards in an uncomfortable position.

Edwards said he wants to finish what he’s started with the Chiefs but won’t promote himself to Hunt or the next general manager.

“I’m not one to try and build cases,” Edwards said. “I let my work speak for itself, and that’s the bottom line. I’m not big on promoting Herman Edwards. I never have been, and I’m not going to start now. I’ve been in this business too long. I’ve tried to do things the right way. I’ve tried to do the thing right for this organization and this football team. I know it was the right thing to do. You do the right things for the right reasons. You don’t do them (for personal reasons).

“I’m pretty sure when there’s a new GM, he’s going to know who I am, unless he’s not an American. I’ve been in this business 30 years. What do I have to do? He’s got to make a decision what he wants to do. He’s got to look at it and say, ‘Is this guy the right guy?’ If he’s not, that’s OK. That’s his decision and I’m OK with that.”

Whether the Chiefs are coached by Edwards or someone else, they’ve got some work to do filling in holes on their roster. The Chiefs could use a pass-rushing defensive end and a couple of linebackers. The offensive line needs some work, and the Chiefs, as always, are looking for a franchise quarterback.

“On defense, I think three (players), four maybe,” Edwards said, when asked how many new starters the Chiefs need. “On offense, you probably need two and then you’re pretty good. The rest of the team is going to be back, 85 percent of these kids are going to come back and they’re going to have experience.

“There are still some pieces missing. That will be corrected in the draft and some in free-agency. This team going through this has a lot of money under the cap. That’s part of the process, too, when you’re trying to rebuild.”

Roster turnover won’t be as great as last year, when the Chiefs lopped several starters after a 4-12 season. It was clear changes then were coming, but they were obvious and didn’t involve the front office.

This time, the way the Chiefs are doing business will change.

“When you make changes in the front office, there’s a lot of things that are unknown,” said cornerback Patrick Surtain, who has likely played his last game with the Chiefs. “Guys can bring in their own people, and nobody knows what that means for any of us. The young guys, the draft picks, they’re safe. The rest of us, you can just hope things work out.”

**007** · 12-30-2008, 12:38 AM

I don't think Page has anything to worry about.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-30-2008, 12:42 AM

5-7 players total? That's gonna make the jump from 2-14 to 10-6? He's clueless.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 12:46 AM

Right Tackle, Right Guard, Center, DE, MLB, OLB, WR.

Sounds about right to me.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 12:48 AM

To the bitter end, eh Dane?

What are you going to say when Herm is fired?

That Clark is a moron?

**BossChief** · 12-30-2008, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

To the bitter end, eh Dane?

What are you going to say when Herm is fired?

That Clark is a moron?

what is wrong with his post?

If we had a pass rush we would have heald a couple of those leads, if we had a solid player to quarterback the defense, our rush defense would be better, giving us possible another 2 wins, let us have a right side of the line we can run behind consistatly and you have another win or two, a WR that would catch the easy ones as well as the circus ones would be a huge asset and would let TT be comfortable throwing all over the field again like the first couple games with Bradley, a pss rushing OLB would give us a better pass rush and would aid in us winning some of teh 8 games we lost by a TD or less...

Maybe Im just new here and dont get your point, but seven players seems right about the need...

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2008, 12:59 AM

"Hey, I didn't say I was in favor of retaining Herm after the 2008 season, though I do feel he's a good (but not great) head coach"

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...00#post5326500

I'd like to know anyone could consider a head coach who has lost 23 of his last 25 games, including a 2-14 season that is the worst in Chiefs' franchise history a "good head coach".

List 5 examples of how Herm Edwards has been a "good head coach" with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

what is wrong with his post?

He agrees with Herm.

We need replacements at

QB
C
RG
RT

RDE
MLB
OLB
SS

We also need a legit third wide receiver and a legit strongside defensive end, but I'll be nice and say Franklin and Hali can fill those spots. I'm not even going to get into the rest of the depth we need. Good defenses have a hell of a lot more than one pass rushing defensive end.

Either way we're gonna suck next year. Herm has already proven he's a terrible judge of talent.

He wants to go into the year with his golden boy Thigpen, anyway. Woohoo!

BigRock · 12-30-2008, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What Clark has created by NOT firing Herm immediately...

UNCERTAINTY...

Uncertainty for Herm. If Herm had been fired on Monday, and there was no GM and no coach, how would there be a feeling of "certainty" for any of the players?

Are you feeling sorry for Herm that his future is uncertain? Or are you just an idiot who's grasping for things to complain about?

I know which answer I'm leaning towards.

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2008, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock

Uncertainty for Herm. If Herm had been fired on Monday, and there was no GM and no coach, how would there be a feeling of "certainty" for any of the players?

Are you feeling sorry for Herm that his future is uncertain? Or are you just an idiot who's grasping for things to complain about?

I know which answer I'm leaning towards.

Uncertainty for potential head coaching candidates who don't know whether the Chiefs will be another opportunity to consider along with Cleveland, Detroit and the NY Jets. Uncertainty for potential assistant coaches such as offensive and defensive coordinators who don't know if the Chiefs will be an opportunity to join a new coaching staff.

It is not just the internal uncertainty that Clark's lack of quick decision on Herm has created... it is also the uncertainty that is projected externally to potential head coaches and assistant coaches.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

To the bitter end, eh Dane?

What are you going to say when Herm is fired?

That Clark is a moron?

I'd like for you to explain to me (and I guess, the entire forum) how exactly with 7 picks in the upcoming draft, the Chiefs will most definitely find ALL of the players necessary to make this a competitive team in 2009.

Free agency can only do so much

So please, in your "infinite wisdom", outline YOUR plan for the 2009 Chiefs.

PLEASE.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd like for you to explain to me (and I guess, the entire forum) how exactly with 7 picks in the upcoming draft, the Chiefs will most definitely find ALL of the players necessary to make this a competitive team in 2009.

They won't.

Especially not with Herm picking guys like Turd McBride and Bernard Pollard.

Herm of course thinks we're going to win a "bunch" of games next year. He's so cute!

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2008, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd like for you to explain to me (and I guess, the entire forum) how exactly with 7 picks in the upcoming draft, the Chiefs will most definitely find ALL of the players necessary to make this a competitive team in 2009.

Free agency can only do so much

So please, in your "infinite wisdom", outline YOUR plan for the 2009 Chiefs.

PLEASE.

Why can't you back up your claim that Herm is a "good coach"?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

They won't.

Especially not with Herm picking guys like Turd McBride and Bernard Pollard.

Herm of course thinks we're going to win a "bunch" of games next year. He's so cute!

Uh, has someone hijacked your account or are you just "trying" to be controversial?

I'm not going to argue this point with someone who's being less than honest.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Why can't you back up your claim that Herm is a "good coach"?

Why can't you be anything other than a negative cocksmoker?

Really.

Why do you even waste your and our time? You should be on global ignore.

Your act is OLD.

12-30-2008, 12:36 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-697094	What Clark has created by NOT firing Herm immediately... UNCERTAINTY... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/957115.html Uncertainty hangs over the Chiefs By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star The typical last-day-of-school scenes played out at the Chiefs’ Truman Sports Complex practice facility Monday. Players said their goodbyes and walked out for the season carrying black trash bags loaded with their belongings. Each year, the tableaus carry an overwhelming sense of finality. This year, there’s also the awareness that they could eventually return to a very different world. The next time the Chiefs convene as a group, sometime in March or April, they will have a new general manager — and perhaps a new coach. That means uncertainty for all, even players who are sure of having a job next season. One is safety Jarrad Page. One of the Chiefs’ better defensive players, Page has known only one head coach, defensive coordinator and secondary coach in his three NFL seasons. When he’s back in the spring, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and David Gibbs could be working elsewhere. “I try not to think about it,” Page said. “So many scenarios can go through your head. Who could it be in the end? What kind of guy would it be? I don’t know. “I feel I can work with people. Whatever decision is made, I’ll be fine and I feel this team will be fine. I won’t figure out how I’m going to deal with it until I figure out what the situation is. “I don’t think players are getting too stressed out about it. Whatever’s going to happen is going to happen.” Edwards and his staff still had their jobs Monday. They most likely will at least until chairman Clark Hunt hires a new general manager to replace the departed Carl Peterson. The two will then decide whether Edwards will be retained. Until then, Edwards is going about his business, but he acknowledged during Monday’s occasionally awkward season-ending news conference that some of the business he might normally tend to at this point is off-limits because of his tenuous situation. Edwards might like to make changes on his staff, particularly the defensive assistants, but that apparently will have to wait. “I’m not free to do anything except evaluate our players until we find out who the GM is and he comes in and decides what he’s going to do,” Edwards said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate our players.” That state of limbo has Edwards in an uncomfortable position. Edwards said he wants to finish what he’s started with the Chiefs but won’t promote himself to Hunt or the next general manager. “I’m not one to try and build cases,” Edwards said. “I let my work speak for itself, and that’s the bottom line. I’m not big on promoting Herman Edwards. I never have been, and I’m not going to start now. I’ve been in this business too long. I’ve tried to do things the right way. I’ve tried to do the thing right for this organization and this football team. I know it was the right thing to do. You do the right things for the right reasons. You don’t do them (for personal reasons). “I’m pretty sure when there’s a new GM, he’s going to know who I am, unless he’s not an American. I’ve been in this business 30 years. What do I have to do? He’s got to make a decision what he wants to do. He’s got to look at it and say, ‘Is this guy the right guy?’ If he’s not, that’s OK. That’s his decision and I’m OK with that.” Whether the Chiefs are coached by Edwards or someone else, they’ve got some work to do filling in holes on their roster. The Chiefs could use a pass-rushing defensive end and a couple of linebackers. The offensive line needs some work, and the Chiefs, as always, are looking for a franchise quarterback. “On defense, I think three (players), four maybe,” Edwards said, when asked how many new starters the Chiefs need. “On offense, you probably need two and then you’re pretty good. The rest of the team is going to be back, 85 percent of these kids are going to come back and they’re going to have experience. “There are still some pieces missing. That will be corrected in the draft and some in free-agency. This team going through this has a lot of money under the cap. That’s part of the process, too, when you’re trying to rebuild.” Roster turnover won’t be as great as last year, when the Chiefs lopped several starters after a 4-12 season. It was clear changes then were coming, but they were obvious and didn’t involve the front office. This time, the way the Chiefs are doing business will change. “When you make changes in the front office, there’s a lot of things that are unknown,” said cornerback Patrick Surtain, who has likely played his last game with the Chiefs. “Guys can bring in their own people, and nobody knows what that means for any of us. The young guys, the draft picks, they’re safe. The rest of us, you can just hope things work out.”
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