Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-09-2009, 11:28 PM  
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $740478
Chiefs Need Haley's Attitude

http://kan.scout.com/2/838105.html

People still can’t stop talking about how different the Chiefs are going to be under Scott Pioli compared to Carl Peterson, but the biggest change has nothing to do with the front office. That’s because Todd Haley is going to flip the coaching philosophy at Arrowhead Stadium on its ear in a way most of us have never experienced.

Consider that for 18 of the last 20 years, the Chiefs have been coached by men who were largely regarded as “player’s coaches.” Marty Schottenheimer, Dick Vermeil and Herm Edwards all had great big soft spots in their hearts and often showed it.

For 10 years Marty couldn’t stop talking about gleams, gave inspiring locker-room speeches and practically rubbed noses with any number of players. Vermeil treated his players like sons, popped vintages with them, babied Dante Hall, Trent Green and Eddie Kennison and squeezed more tears than anyone can count. Herm Edwards kept practices short, spewed more positive vibes than is humanly possible, and made everyone feel great about themselves no matter the score.

The Chiefs were good enough, they were smart enough, and gosh darn it, people liked them!

The only problem with that philosophy is that daily affirmations don’t win Super Bowls. Should we really be surprised the Chiefs haven’t won a playoff game in 15 years? There just wasn’t enough tough love going around.

A lack of tough love let the 1998 Chiefs get out of control under Schottenheimer, who lost control of the locker room and eventually resigned. A lack of tough love prompted Vermeil’s loyalty to override his logic on any number of cases – Greg Robinson, Eric Hicks, Samie Parker, take your pick. A lack of tough love gave Larry Johnson license to walk all over Herm Edwards.

Too many hugs, not enough Haley-style authority. Now it’s all about to change. At least we can hope it will, anyway.

I’m talking, of course, about the way Haley has handled players who get a bit too big for their spandex britches in the past. Everyone is familiar with his confrontations with Terrell Owens in Dallas and Anquan Boldin in Arizona, not to mention Kurt Warner. To put it bluntly, it appears Haley isn’t afraid to mix it up with a player, and won’t put up with anyone who reflects poorly on the team.

If Haley is who we think he is – a chip off the old Bill Parcells block – the locker room at One Arrowhead Drive is about to be shaken up like never before. Unlike previous regimes, no player will be coddled, no individual will be placed before the team, and an environment will be created where the head coach is both feared and respected.

That doesn't mean Haley is just going to scream at anyone who drops a pass or blows an assignment. He's not Gunther Cunningham. But when players act in an unprofessional manner, sometimes they need to be reminded of who's really in charge.

So the question now becomes – what does Haley do with Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez? Recently, both have done their best to distract attention from the real news, the Chiefs’ search for a new general manager and head coach.

For two years now, the way Johnson has conducted himself on and off the field has embarrassed the Chiefs. Will Haley put up with a player who spikes the ball on the field after being thrown for a loss? We know Edwards was far too lenient when that act first went down in September 2007, against the Vikings at Arrowhead.

How long will Haley wait until he’s had enough of a player who shows up late to team meetings and involves himself in altercations out on the town? We know Edwards waited far too long. By the time Johnson was suspended last season, it was too little, too late.

And now Johnson has reiterated his desire to play elsewhere. Why? What is the point of trying to jump ship when it’s changing course midstream?

We can’t compare Gonzalez to Johnson, of course, but in his own way the future Hall of Fame tight end has done plenty to embarrass the franchise. Publicly requesting a trade at midseason last year, and then actually turning down two trade offers, didn’t look good. We don’t need to recount the specifics of Gonzalez’s quest for individual records.

With the right head coach – perhaps the Haley brand – it’s entirely possible none of the above ever takes place. Can you picture Ben Coates whining about some insignificant record that will be broken sooner or later anyway? What about Curtis Martin, spiking the ball after a bad play with Parcells on the sideline?

While we are talking about two totally different running backs, with totally different attitudes, just imagine the attitude Johnson might have now if he had been drafted and matured professionally under a coach like Parcells. We might be talking about a completely different player at this point.

With any luck, that is the type of player the Chiefs be cultivating with Todd Haley now coaching the team. He’ll save the hugs for the Super Bowl celebration.

Posts: 297,593
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:57 AM   #2
EyePod EyePod is offline
Forgetting 2013 season end.
 
EyePod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Around
Casino cash: $9995735
Good article Claythan. I just hope that Tony can handle the pressure. I think he'll like the winning attitude, not the "you guys are good enough but the coaches can't figure out how to win" attitude.
__________________
I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
Posts: 5,800
EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 07:06 AM   #3
King_Chief_Fan King_Chief_Fan is offline
Praise Him
 
King_Chief_Fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: none ya
Casino cash: $4755486
We can’t compare Gonzalez to Johnson, of course, but in his own way the future Hall of Fame tight end has done plenty to embarrass the franchise. Publicly requesting a trade at midseason last year, and then actually turning down two trade offers, didn’t look good. We don’t need to recount the specifics of Gonzalez’s quest for individual records.


Gonzales turned down two trade offers?
Quest for individual records?
Posts: 12,362
King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.King_Chief_Fan has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 07:23 AM   #4
the Talking Can the Talking Can is offline
Supporter
 
the Talking Can's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: street
Casino cash: $9112208
I thought they needed Shanahan's attitude?
__________________
Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
Posts: 51,585
the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 07:54 AM   #5
EyePod EyePod is offline
Forgetting 2013 season end.
 
EyePod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Around
Casino cash: $9995735
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can View Post
I thought they needed Shanahan's attitude?
__________________
I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
Posts: 5,800
EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.EyePod has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:02 AM   #6
SAUTO SAUTO is offline
Shit
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $10039067
THE DEAL MIGHT BE DONE
Posts: 55,715
SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.SAUTO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:07 AM   #7
missinDThomas missinDThomas is offline
Nobody fucks with the Jesus!
 
missinDThomas's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Casino cash: $10004900
I think with his new attitude and offense minded skills we may just take the best athlete at #3 Crabtree. I saw Crabtree on NFL Network last night and he is working with Deion Sanders. Jerry Rice was there and he has said good things about the kid. When you other guys said Crabtree I was like whatever there is no way we are going have Fits/Boldin part duex here. We just might though. It is proven the WRs make QBs look good.
Posts: 348
missinDThomas is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.missinDThomas is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:08 AM   #8
Mecca Mecca is offline
Hockey Town
 
Mecca's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Casino cash: $-762950
The best athlete is Malcolm Jenkins...
Posts: 115,403
Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mecca is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:14 AM   #9
missinDThomas missinDThomas is offline
Nobody fucks with the Jesus!
 
missinDThomas's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Casino cash: $10004900
Also, did you guys here Thigpen on Sirius radio Sunday? They were asking him about all the other running backs if LJ split. He was saying the normal stuff that we know about Kolby and Jamaal, Dantrell, but did you guys know that Jacki Battle is 6'2" 240 and runs a 4.4 40? That is what Thigggy Smalls said. He said when you have a guy like that in the backfield who else do you need?
Posts: 348
missinDThomas is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.missinDThomas is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:19 AM   #10
Agent V Agent V is offline
Bring me Geno.
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Casino cash: $10004900
Quote:
Originally Posted by missinDThomas View Post
That is what Thigggy Smalls said. He said when you have a guy like that in the backfield who else do you need?
A quarterback.
Posts: 1,938
Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.Agent V would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:45 AM   #11
Rooster Rooster is offline
Draft a QB
 
Rooster's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: JoCo
Casino cash: $9951689
Quote:
Originally Posted by missinDThomas View Post
I think with his new attitude and offense minded skills we may just take the best athlete at #3 Crabtree. I saw Crabtree on NFL Network last night and he is working with Deion Sanders. Jerry Rice was there and he has said good things about the kid. When you other guys said Crabtree I was like whatever there is no way we are going have Fits/Boldin part duex here. We just might though. It is proven the WRs make QBs look good.
I saw the piece on NFL network too. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm.
__________________
When Reno Hightower was a prick he was the best damn quarterback in the history of Kern County.

Posts: 5,753
Rooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliRooster 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:52 AM   #12
talastan talastan is offline
Manning, we're coming for you!
 
talastan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Springfield, Mo
Casino cash: $10004950
Quote:
Originally Posted by chief103182 View Post
A quarterback.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EyePod View Post
__________________
Can we please just draft AND DEVELOP a QB - est. since 1983

Check out my band:

Truett and the Traitors
Posts: 4,815
talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.talastan has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 09:36 AM   #13
KCrockaholic KCrockaholic is offline
Sarcasm
 
KCrockaholic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Olathe
Casino cash: $3282900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca View Post
The best athlete is Malcolm Jenkins...
he has great measurables like you said, but I have a feeling he wont quite be the player teams expect him to be. I think of him as a late 1st or early 2nd round player. Best athlete IMO in the draft would have to be Vontae Davis, Jenkins looks just like Darren McFadden to me, which reminds me of the Raiders. Therefore I dont like him
Posts: 21,180
KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.KCrockaholic threw an interception on a screen pass.
    Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 09:51 AM   #14
Fritz88 Fritz88 is offline
Custom User Title
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Casino cash: $8505943
I don't blame TG for his quest to achieve individual records. He's trying to solidify his legacy in this league as much as possible. If he is not winning a SB, then he should do his best to get the most out anything else.

Good article except for the Tony part
Posts: 12,706
Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Fritz88 has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:19 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.