I think Cleveland st. just ended K-States chances at the tourney

[Mr. Krab]

Cleveland State upsets 16th ranked Butler


INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -Selection Sunday will be a lot more fun for Cleveland State this year.

Unlike a year ago, when the Vikings waited in vain for a possible at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, their 57-54 victory over No. 16 Butler on Tuesday night in the championship game of the Horizon League tournament assured them an automatic berth in the NCAAs.

''It's a lot of pressure off. I always remember last year when I got hurt, that was always lingering in my mind about 'What if?' - maybe something would have happened,'' Cleveland State senior Cedric Jackson said. ''But last year was a great experience for me. Coming into this game I was a lot more relaxed and ready to lead this team.''

Jackson left last year's Horizon championship game against Butler early in the second half with an ankle injury. He had only four points and three rebounds in that loss to the Bulldogs.

This time, he had 19 points and seven rebounds and keyed a flurry of 3-pointers in the second half that erased an 8-point Butler lead. The win guaranteed the Vikings their first NCAA bid since 1986, when they were seeded 14th and knocked off Bob Knight's Indiana Hoosiers and made the regional semifinals.

''It feels so good. I've waited four years, five years, it's so amazing, just to get this championship,'' said Jackson, who was voted the Horizon tournament MVP. ''It means the world to me. This team has stuck together day in and day out.''

Six of Cleveland State's (25-10) first seven field goals in the second half were 3-pointers. Butler's last lead was 48-47 midway through the period, then Jackson hit a 3-pointer and a floater in the lane to put the Vikings in front for good. Butler had two chances to tie it in the closing seconds, but Shelvin Mack and Gordon Hayward missed 3-pointers.

Mack, a freshman, led Butler with 18 points.

''It really wasn't the game plan,'' Jackson said of the 3-pointers. ''It was about being aggressive and knowing when to step up and make plays. We started out slow and Butler was sagging off me, so I had to step up and just count on that shot to go in. I took a few bad shots, but my teammates helped me out on the defensive end, and that was the most important part.''

Cleveland State lost twice to the Bulldogs in the regular season. Butler, ranked in the Top 25 most of the season, is expected to receive an at-large NCAA bid.

''I feel really good. ... You feel better when you're on the victor side,'' Butler coach Brad Stevens said. ''But I told our guys in the locker room that the last time we lost in the (Horizon) championship, we made it to the (NCAA) Sweet 16. It's a totally different story when you get into postseason play.''

It's the first conference tournament title in coach Gary Waters' three seasons at Cleveland State.

''It's fabulous,'' said Waters, who also took Kent State to the NCAAs in 2001. ''This is something we've been dreaming of, and now we don't have to dream any longer. Now Cleveland State is on the map.''

[ChiTown]

Nothing has changed at all. After they lost to OSU in Stillwater, their scenario has been:

Get the B12 CG or it's NIT.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Nothing has changed at all. After they lost to OSU in Stillwater, their scenario has been:

Get the B12 CG or it's NIT.

If you never thought K-state had any chance at an at-large bid than nothing has changed. If you did, then their chances went from slim to almost none with the Cleveland upset.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

If you never thought K-state had any chance at an at-large bid than nothing has changed. If you did, then their chances went from slim to almost none with the Cleveland upset.

Huh?

What I'm saying is that it didn't matter what happened in other games. I'm saying that, since OSU, the layout has been the same in order for KSU to get an at large bid: Win 2 and you are in (ie: getting to the B12 Final)

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Huh?

What I'm saying is that it didn't matter what happened in other games. I'm saying that, since OSU, the layout has been the same in order for KSU to get an at large bid: Win 2 and you are in (ie: getting to the B12 Final)

sorry, for some reason i saw "win the Big 12 championship or nit"

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

sorry, for some reason i saw "win the Big 12 championship or nit"

I see what you are saying.

At any rate, this team has seriously overachieved. I love their attitude and I love Frank Martin. They are going to have to REALLY bring it to beat UT and KU. That's a very tall order, one in which I think we lack a serious inside presence in order to accommodate.

[Saulbadguy]

The Horizon league getting 2 bids has nothing to do with K-State's chances.