Football Goodell wants NFL season to be 17 or 18 games

Cornstock · 03-25-2009, 09:38 PM

Sorry if repost:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...17-or-18-games

DANA POINT, Calif. (AP) - More games that count, perhaps as early as August 2011? That's exactly what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants.

There are several hurdles before the league can expand its regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games. Among them is reaching a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.

Still, the commissioner hopes to present a proposal to the owners in May after the matter was discussed at length this week at the owners meetings.

"It's possible that we could vote in May, but we want to have core discussions on this," Goodell said Wednesday. "Anytime you have change, there is some reluctance. But it's clear we don't need four preseason games anymore."

Goodell said the league has not seriously discussed the subject with its broadcast partners. He couldn't imagine them not being interested in more meaningful games.

"I think the quality of NFL programming, that every one of our network partners would say, if they have the chance to have more regular-season programming, they'd be interested in it," Goodell said. "A key point is the fans also recognize players they want to see are not in those preseason games; that's why they are not attractive. They want to see those players play."

As for those players and their union, Goodell recognizes an expanded schedule will be part of CBA negotiations. Owners opted out of the current deal last year, and it expires after the 2010 schedule, which would be an uncapped season.

"Under the current agreement, additional regular-season games would not be covered," Goodell said. "I think our most important priority after we get done with our internal analysis is talking to our key partners, and that includes the players. I think we want to make sure that the right dialogue takes place before we make any final votes."

DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA's incoming executive director, wants any decision that affects the players to happen collaboratively.

"His hope is that the concerns and interests of the players will be seriously considered," said George Atallah, a director at the public relations firm Qorvis Communications and a spokesman for Smith during his transition. "He was elected by the players to be their advocate on such issues and is more than ready to serve them."

Among the issues team owners must discuss is when the regular season would begin; how many bye weeks would be scheduled; how deep into February the playoffs and Super Bowl would go; and when the offseason programs — including the combine and the draft — would be held.

Plus, where would the extra games be played, particularly with 17 of them?

One possibility, an idea Goodell and senior vice president of sales and marketing Mark Waller first mentioned several years ago, would be 17 neutral-site games, including some aboard. That would enable the league to step up its efforts internationally, a particular goal of Goodell's.

"There's been some discussion about that," Goodell said. "That's been one of the appealing features of converting preseason games into regular-season games is it gives you more inventory, more games that you can take to neutral sites, either internationally or domestically. So that is a compelling feature."

Another option would be having one conference play nine home games during a season, and the other conference do so the next year.

An 18-game schedule, obviously, would eliminate such concerns. It also would mean dropping two preseason contests.

"Fans don't believe preseason games are up to our standards," Goodell said.

Clearly, neither does he.

I have no problem with dropping a preseason game or two. More chances to see the players. And promoting the league overseas can be nothing but a plus.

RJ · 03-25-2009, 09:45 PM

More is not always better.

NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL seasons all are already too long, IMO.

NFL players are not machines. Extending the season will merely water down the product.

But another game or two sure would bring in a lot more money, maybe enough to offset the ad revenue they're losing.

Edit - The ad revenue the networks are losing, which will surely result in lesser tv contracts.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2009, 09:47 PM

Just keep choking that golden goose....

keg in kc · 03-25-2009, 09:48 PM

I think the preseason is longer than it needs to be, with training being year-round, and camp running for so long. The first game and the fourth game are usually throw-away.

I do think the people it will impact the most are the marginal players. They won't have as much of an opportunity to show they can rise above their perceived ability.

**Buehler445** · 03-25-2009, 09:50 PM

I think it will just add injuries.

**007** · 03-25-2009, 09:52 PM

If they kill that 1 or 2 games in the preseason then I have no problem with this at all.

ChiefsCountry · 03-25-2009, 09:52 PM

NFL used to play 6 exhibition games, then they went to 4, 2 seems logical next step. Its still a 20 game season either way.

**pr_capone** · 03-25-2009, 09:54 PM

I think they should drop 2 preseason games and leave the rest just like it is.

All this is gonna do is **** with stats & make players break down faster.

Cornstock · 03-25-2009, 09:55 PM

I think if they do that they will need to increase the size of the 53 man roster because of the inherent increase of injuries. Likewise, to pay these players the salary cap will need to increase accordingly.

beavis · 03-25-2009, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone

I think they should drop 2 preseason games and leave the rest just like it is.

All this is gonna do is **** with stats & make players break down faster.

This.

ChiefsCountry · 03-25-2009, 09:56 PM

CFL plays an 18 game schedule plus 2 exhibition games. I dont see them breaking down.

kcxiv · 03-25-2009, 09:57 PM

I have no problem if they want to drop 2 preseason games. I also like that the NBA and MLB seasons are long. I am just a sports fan though and i can watch sports at the end of the day.

**pr_capone** · 03-25-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

NFL used to play 6 exhibition games, then they went to 4, 2 seems logical next step. Its still a 20 game season either way.

Yeah but in 4 of those games certain players just mail it it and get pulled early.

I see preseason being more for the camp fodder to try and rise above their station.

If they want to kill 2 preseason games... I'm all for it. If they add 2 more regular season games I would not be heart broken but we will have to get used to new norms...

2k rushing yards in a single season will be something we will see almost every year.

QBs throwing for 5.5k yards in a single season.

25 sack season for defenders.

12 INT seasons for DB's.

It looks great on paper but as something of a stat geek.... I dun like it.

**KcMizzou** · 03-25-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beavis

This.

That.

And rep for the Omar avy.

**Bugeater** · 03-25-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

CFL plays an 18 game schedule plus 2 exhibition games. I dont see them breaking down.

How do you know that, do you actually follow the CFL?

03-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Cornstock Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Casino cash: $9986835	Goodell wants NFL season to be 17 or 18 games Sorry if repost: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...17-or-18-games DANA POINT, Calif. (AP) - More games that count, perhaps as early as August 2011? That's exactly what NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants. There are several hurdles before the league can expand its regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games. Among them is reaching a new collective bargaining agreement with the players' union. Still, the commissioner hopes to present a proposal to the owners in May after the matter was discussed at length this week at the owners meetings. "It's possible that we could vote in May, but we want to have core discussions on this," Goodell said Wednesday. "Anytime you have change, there is some reluctance. But it's clear we don't need four preseason games anymore." Goodell said the league has not seriously discussed the subject with its broadcast partners. He couldn't imagine them not being interested in more meaningful games. "I think the quality of NFL programming, that every one of our network partners would say, if they have the chance to have more regular-season programming, they'd be interested in it," Goodell said. "A key point is the fans also recognize players they want to see are not in those preseason games; that's why they are not attractive. They want to see those players play." As for those players and their union, Goodell recognizes an expanded schedule will be part of CBA negotiations. Owners opted out of the current deal last year, and it expires after the 2010 schedule, which would be an uncapped season. "Under the current agreement, additional regular-season games would not be covered," Goodell said. "I think our most important priority after we get done with our internal analysis is talking to our key partners, and that includes the players. I think we want to make sure that the right dialogue takes place before we make any final votes." DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA's incoming executive director, wants any decision that affects the players to happen collaboratively. "His hope is that the concerns and interests of the players will be seriously considered," said George Atallah, a director at the public relations firm Qorvis Communications and a spokesman for Smith during his transition. "He was elected by the players to be their advocate on such issues and is more than ready to serve them." Among the issues team owners must discuss is when the regular season would begin; how many bye weeks would be scheduled; how deep into February the playoffs and Super Bowl would go; and when the offseason programs — including the combine and the draft — would be held. Plus, where would the extra games be played, particularly with 17 of them? One possibility, an idea Goodell and senior vice president of sales and marketing Mark Waller first mentioned several years ago, would be 17 neutral-site games, including some aboard. That would enable the league to step up its efforts internationally, a particular goal of Goodell's. "There's been some discussion about that," Goodell said. "That's been one of the appealing features of converting preseason games into regular-season games is it gives you more inventory, more games that you can take to neutral sites, either internationally or domestically. So that is a compelling feature." Another option would be having one conference play nine home games during a season, and the other conference do so the next year. An 18-game schedule, obviously, would eliminate such concerns. It also would mean dropping two preseason contests. "Fans don't believe preseason games are up to our standards," Goodell said. Clearly, neither does he. I have no problem with dropping a preseason game or two. More chances to see the players. And promoting the league overseas can be nothing but a plus.
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