Chiefs Gretz: Wednesday Cup O'Chiefs (Defense Stuff)

Coogs · 06-10-2009, 07:09 AM

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Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs
June 10, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

Making assessments about a football team as it runs around in underwear during the month of June can be dangerous.

There is too much that can still happen in the football year, and that’s even before the teams head to training camp at the end of July. Throw in training camp and pre-season and there are a lot of players who will show themselves with an opening day roster spot, but they remain unknowns at this moment to media, fans and even sometimes the coaches. There are injuries, there are holdouts and there will be off-field incidents to come.

Taking all that into account, I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that Chiefs fans are going to like this new Chiefs defense.

Based on what they’ve shown during the nine practices that have been open to the media, coordinator Clancy Pendergast (left) is loading up the kitchen sink with this defense. Pendergast is experimenting right now with personnel and schemes, but there’s one thing that comes through no matter what type of players are on the field. This defense is going to be an aggressive group that sometimes lines up in ways that have not been seen by Chiefs fans.

Over the weekend at mini-camp, the Chiefs were in a nickel-type defense where only one player had his hand on the ground for the snap of the ball. DE Tyson Jackson was in a two-point stance as he stood over the guard. Five other guys were also standing along the line of scrimmage. That was seven guys in the immediate grill of the quarterback. On one play, only four rushed. On the next it was five.

Before they were done, I swear there was a play where the Chiefs blitzed all 11 guys. Cornerbacks are coming off the corner. Safeties are flying up from the secondary. Linebackers are on pogo sticks, jumping up and back in various combinations.

On 1st-and-10, the Chiefs are lining up in the 3-4 defense but that might be the only play in a possession where they are in that alignment. When they got to a nickel, the nose tackle comes out and a cornerback comes in. That’s when all sorts of things happen.

The premise is simple: limit the pre-snap information for the quarterback. Always have the offense wondering who is coming and who is dropping. Go hard, go fast and arrive in ill humor. There’s nothing revolutionary here. Pendergast and his staff don’t appear to be writing a new book on playing defense.

But if what we are watching right now is the approach, then they are going to go after the quarterback with multiple blitzes.

The big question is will they be blitzing because they want to cause confusion, or will they be blitzing because that’s the only way they can get to the quarterback?

The Chiefs had the most embarrassing pass rush in NFL history last season, pulling the passer down 10 times, a league record for sacking ineptitude. Pioli/Haley have not gone out and sought pass rushers to bulk up the roster. Instead, they are going to rely on a different coaching staff, different scheme and player development from within to improve the rush. That’s a gamble on their part, especially if Pendergast has to generate a pass rush by gambling with the blitz.

With Arizona last year, Pendergast was not blitz crazy. One statistical service estimated the Cardinals blitzed 25 percent of the time in the 993 plays they faced on defense. Most of those came on second and third down plays when the opponent needed four to six yards for a first down.

How often the Chiefs will use the blitz remains to be seen. There’s no question the Chiefs will have a lot of options in their defensive playbook, if they need to use them.

Again, it’s June. It’s a new defensive coaching staff (save DL coach Tim Krumrie). It’s a new scheme. It’s a new head coach. There are a bunch of key new players in Jackson, Alex Magee, Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel and Monty Beisel.

But there’s a look about this defense that provides hope that negative NFL records will not be set in the 2009 season.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 06-10-2009, 07:28 AM

We could take 22 players off the street and get more than 10 sacks.

tomahawk kid · 06-10-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Over the weekend at mini-camp, the Chiefs were in a nickel-type defense where only one player had his hand on the ground for the snap of the ball. DE Tyson Jackson was in a two-point stance as he stood over the guard. Five other guys were also standing along the line of scrimmage. That was seven guys in the immediate grill of the quarterback. On one play, only four rushed. On the next it was five.

Does this remind anyone else of that ignorant shit Greg Robinson used to run?

What was it called? The "Spinner" package?

milkman · 06-10-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Does this remind anyone else of that ignorant shit Greg Robinson used to run?

What was it called? The "Spinner" package?

The "Spinner" was a zone package.

It had everyone but Redrum's mother and the Pope in coverage.

The QB could have ordered take-out while he was standing in the pocket.

Red Beans · 06-10-2009, 07:59 AM

I for one will be happy to see the defense blitz a little...It's like Herm and the Cover two removed Gunther's balls the last couple of years...

KcFanInGA · 06-10-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

I for one will be happy to see the defense blitz a little...It's like Herm and the Cover two removed Gunther's balls the last couple of years...

Agreed. I like the sound of things for our defense so far. I just hope it translates into wins for us.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-10-2009, 08:29 AM

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Go hard, go fast and arrive in ill humor.

I like that.

Chiefnj2 · 06-10-2009, 08:30 AM

Sounds like Clancy is doing the same thing in KC that he did in AZ. I'm not too thrilled.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-10-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Sounds like Clancy is doing the same thing in KC that he did in AZ. I'm not too thrilled.

And with less talent.

Doesn't excite me either, but the proof one way or the other will come on Sundays this fall.

I hope we're both wrong.

tomahawk kid · 06-10-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The "Spinner" was a zone package.

It had everyone but Redrum's mother and the Pope in coverage.

The QB could have ordered take-out while he was standing in the pocket.

Thanks for the clarification.

I DID think he had some sort of formation that all 4 D line man were standing up - but I couldn't remember what it was called.

raybec 4 · 06-10-2009, 08:47 AM

I just can't imagine how they are even going to be in the top twenty defenses in the league, I hope I'm wrong.

**Dave Lane** · 06-10-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Thanks for the clarification.

I DID think he had some sort of formation that all 4 D line man were standing up - but I couldn't remember what it was called.

A misplaced memory.

ToxSocks · 06-10-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

I just can't imagine how they are even going to be in the top twenty defenses in the league, I hope I'm wrong.

I doubt they will be. At this point, let's just hope they can at least make some improvements, then worry about the top 20
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**Buehler445** · 06-10-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And with less talent.

Doesn't excite me either, but the proof one way or the other will come on Sundays this fall.

I hope we're both wrong.

I'm pretty much thinking this also.

There was an article awhile back discussing the changing schemes and stuff and suggesting that Clancy is not what Pioli typically liked. I can't remember shit about the name of the thread, so I'm not going to search it, but it had some good points.

I think what I thought was most interesting about the article was tha it said as much mix it up stuff as BB threw out there, ther D was always good in the base package. Something AZ was not last year. The article also stated that since there were few expectations this year, Clancy could work on the base D and get the team solid. It doesn't appear that is going to happen.

Personally, I don't think this team is talented enough to overcome the weaknesses and seams that will come from blitzing a lot and throwing gimmicks out there. That's probably why Haley wants everyone in kickass shape, to be faster.

At a high level, I really like being flexible and attacking weaknesses of a team, but looking at the talent, they just need to be able to line up and beat people first, then we can go about confusing and killing ****ers. Looking at Pitt's D, they are confusing as ****,but they still have the football ability to line up and beat you.
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Mr. Krab · 06-10-2009, 09:14 AM

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Over the weekend at mini-camp, the Chiefs were in a nickel-type defense where only one player had his hand on the ground for the snap of the ball. DE Tyson Jackson was in a two-point stance as he stood over the guard. Five other guys were also standing along the line of scrimmage. That was seven guys in the immediate grill of the quarterback. On one play, only four rushed. On the next it was five.

New England runs this kind of stuff all the time.

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