Chiefs Elway a fraud as Broncos' offseason of FAIL continues

Hammock Parties · 08-20-2009, 09:42 AM

Schadenfreude.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1393793.html

This should come as no surprise to Chiefs fans, but former Broncos quarterback John Elway is a fraud.

OK, maybe not a fraud, but it’s been widely accepted that Elway holds the career NFL comeback record, but research indicates that not true.

Elway is credited with 47 fourth-quarter comebacks, the highest total in league history. According to the widely accepted number, Elway engineered 10 more such comebacks than former Dolphins quarterback Dan Marino.

But the researcher Scott Kacsmar found major problems when he started investigating the data. “Comebacks” aren’t an official statistic. That means that each team’s public relations department gets to use its own definition of comeback. The Dolphins used a strict interpretation for Marino: he got credit for a comeback only if he took the field in the fourth quarter with the Dolphins trailing and led a game-winning drive.

The Broncos used a more lenient definition: Elway got credit for leading a comeback if the Broncos were tied in the fourth quarter. There were some other variations: in one instance, Elway got credit for a comeback in a game that ended in a tie.

Once Kacsmar standardized the definitions and corrected some media guide oversights, he discovered that Elway had 34 true comebacks. Marino had 36. If you prefer to count the game-winning drives that started with fourth-quarter ties, then Marino still has a 51-49 edge. Any way you slice it, Marino is the real “comeback” king.

Elway may not even be second. Johnny Unitas was credited with 31 comebacks by Colts media guides, but they only counted regular-season comebacks, while Elway and Marino both got credit for playoff games. That means Unitas doesn’t get credit for the 1958 championship (the “Greatest Game Ever Played”), and Kacsmar found two other comebacks for Unitas. That means that Unitas and Elway are tied, though with scant play-by-play data available for Unitas’ career, there may be a few errors in the data.

Kacsmar’s research can be found at ProFootballReference’s blog. Further analysis can be found at Football Outsiders.

ToxSocks · 08-20-2009, 09:44 AM

Best Offseason evar!

Mile High Mania · 08-20-2009, 09:47 AM

**Rain Man** · 08-20-2009, 09:51 AM

Filthy stinking liar.

And a good quarterback would've not gotten behind in the first place.

CoMoChief · 08-20-2009, 10:07 AM

horse mouthed mother ****er that John Elway is.

Demonpenz · 08-20-2009, 10:45 AM

have you seen elways face on that coors commercial? I think Michael Jacksons corpse has held up better

vailpass · 08-20-2009, 11:41 AM

Elway will give you guys red-ass for the rest of your lives.

Rooster · 08-20-2009, 11:44 AM

Boooooo cheatin donkey QB, hurray beer.....

CaliforniaChief · 08-20-2009, 11:51 AM

Bronco Fan:

Your coach wants our QB. (#7)
Your QB is Sasquatch the Amputee.
Your franchise QB is with another team.
The QB before that is playing handball.
Your legendary QB is doing a former Raiders' cheerleader.

vailpass · 08-20-2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Bronco Fan:

Your coach wants our QB. (#7)
Your QB is Sasquatch the Amputee.
Your franchise QB is with another team.
The QB before that is playing handball.
Your legendary QB is doing a former Raiders' cheerleader.

Raiders cheerleaders are hot. How is banging a cheerleader an insult?

Rooster · 08-20-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

Raiders cheerleaders are hot. How is banging a cheerleader an insult?

He lost me on that one too.

CaliforniaChief · 08-20-2009, 12:27 PM

Ok fine...maybe that's just more irony that she used to be a Raiders' cheerleader. I can retract that one.

vailpass · 08-20-2009, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Ok fine...maybe that's just more irony that she used to be a Raiders' cheerleader. I can retract that one.

Pussy knows no uniform.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-20-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Bronco Fan:

Your coach wants our QB. (#7)
Your QB is Sasquatch the Amputee.
Your franchise QB is with another team.
The QB before that is playing handball.
Your legendary QB is doing a former Raiders' cheerleader.

Garcia Bronco · 08-20-2009, 12:39 PM

Elway is the best and better than Marino. Six days a week and twice on Sunday

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4330478	Elway a fraud as Broncos' offseason of FAIL continues Schadenfreude. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1393793.html This should come as no surprise to Chiefs fans, but former Broncos quarterback John Elway is a fraud. OK, maybe not a fraud, but it’s been widely accepted that Elway holds the career NFL comeback record, but research indicates that not true. Elway is credited with 47 fourth-quarter comebacks, the highest total in league history. According to the widely accepted number, Elway engineered 10 more such comebacks than former Dolphins quarterback Dan Marino. But the researcher Scott Kacsmar found major problems when he started investigating the data. “Comebacks” aren’t an official statistic. That means that each team’s public relations department gets to use its own definition of comeback. The Dolphins used a strict interpretation for Marino: he got credit for a comeback only if he took the field in the fourth quarter with the Dolphins trailing and led a game-winning drive. The Broncos used a more lenient definition: Elway got credit for leading a comeback if the Broncos were tied in the fourth quarter. There were some other variations: in one instance, Elway got credit for a comeback in a game that ended in a tie. Once Kacsmar standardized the definitions and corrected some media guide oversights, he discovered that Elway had 34 true comebacks. Marino had 36. If you prefer to count the game-winning drives that started with fourth-quarter ties, then Marino still has a 51-49 edge. Any way you slice it, Marino is the real “comeback” king. Elway may not even be second. Johnny Unitas was credited with 31 comebacks by Colts media guides, but they only counted regular-season comebacks, while Elway and Marino both got credit for playoff games. That means Unitas doesn’t get credit for the 1958 championship (the “Greatest Game Ever Played”), and Kacsmar found two other comebacks for Unitas. That means that Unitas and Elway are tied, though with scant play-by-play data available for Unitas’ career, there may be a few errors in the data. Kacsmar’s research can be found at ProFootballReference’s blog. Further analysis can be found at Football Outsiders.
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