Chiefs Thank goodness Allen is gone.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 06:48 AM

If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes.

CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement.

With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now.

The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs.

And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season.

Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre.

This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's.

But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game.

So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction.

So, good riddance Jared Allen.

**Bane** · 10-06-2009, 06:58 AM

I can't go along with that one.I'll never think that trading JA was a good thing.Maybe the team didn't have the money to spend in that area at the time,but I hate loosing players like him.People always say you draft the best player available,versus the player you actually need.Well that's just reeruned in my opinion,cause if that's the key to victory,then you should also keep the best players you have.
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htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 07:48 AM

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I can't go along with that one.I'll never think that trading JA was a good thing.Maybe the team didn't have the money to spend in that area at the time,but I hate loosing players like him.People always say you draft the best player available,versus the player you actually need.Well that's just reeruned in my opinion,cause if that's the key to victory,then you should also keep the best players you have.
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Jared Allen alone isn't enough to overcome the 20-year stench of Carl Peterson. Keeping Allen was only prolonging the inevitable.

Reerun_KC · 10-06-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jared Allen alone isn't enough to overcome the 20-year stench of Carl Peterson. Keeping Allen was only prolonging the inevitable.

This...

New Era in Chiefs football..

**Bane** · 10-06-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jared Allen alone isn't enough to overcome the 20-year stench of Carl Peterson. Keeping Allen was only prolonging the inevitable.

Maybe so...I just hear coaches always preaching that if you have good players you will improve.So to me trading good players just isn't the thing to do if you are trying to improve.We can beat this to death for the next 20 years.JA is gone,done deal,nuff said.
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Reerun_KC · 10-06-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

Maybe so...I just hear coaches always preaching that if you have good players you will improve.So to me trading good players just isn't the thing to do if you are tryong to improve.We can beat this to death for the next 20 years.JA is gone,done deal,nuff said.
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True, but this is the first year of the new regime...

How can we know if in fact that they are going to suck... Unless you listen to Mecca? Then the sky is falling and the sun is right behind it....

**Bane** · 10-06-2009, 08:04 AM

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True, but this is the first year of the new regime...

How can we know if in fact that they are going to suck... Unless you listen to Mecca? Then the sky is falling and the sun is right behind it....

Listen to Mecca?I might be some dumb,but I'm not plum dumb!!!!!Rofl
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jspchief · 10-06-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jared Allen alone isn't enough to overcome the 20-year stench of Carl Peterson. Keeping Allen was only prolonging the inevitable.

Bullshit.

Keeping the best defensive player the team has had in a decade as he's entering his prime is laying the foundation for a good team.

The Chiefs needed to overcome years of poor draft and free agent evaluation. They didn't need to overcome the one time they got lucky.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Bullshit.

Keeping the best defensive player the team has had in a decade as he's entering his prime is laying the foundation for a good team.

The Chiefs needed to overcome years of poor draft and free agent evaluation. They didn't need to overcome the one time they got lucky.

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Exactly.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 08:26 AM

They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.

wild1 · 10-06-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Just like Tony Gonzalez would have gone into the Hall of Fame with 0 playoff wins.

Just like Will Shields will go into the Hall of Fame with 0 playoff wins.

Etc.

jspchief · 10-06-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Ownership needed to fire Peterson. The notion that you needed to allow the team to freefall down the drain so you can make FO changes is silly.

It's like saying "thank god Joe died in that car accident, because now all Joe's friends wear their seatbelts."

It's easy to say that move was the catalyst for the end of Peterson's regime, and it may have been. But we don't know that for certain, as Clark Hunt hadn't really had a chance to show us what he would do yet.

The assumption that Clark wouldn't have ever pulled that trigger is just more reason to expect more years of failure. Even if it was necessary to set these changes in motion, I still can't see it as anything other than a negative.

DTHOF · 10-06-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Bullshit.

Keeping the best defensive player the team has had in a decade as he's entering his prime is laying the foundation for a good team.

The Chiefs needed to overcome years of poor draft and free agent evaluation. They didn't need to overcome the one time they got lucky.

This is the best reply to the subject. You never get rid of a great player no matter what. At what point to we finally say "OK we good enough, now we can keep him"

munkey · 10-06-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs)

The Green Bay second and third string offensive lineman are better than our starters...

Did they not put up 20 points? We'd be lucky to get three points against Minny's "D".

10-06-2009, 06:48 AM	Topic Starter
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Thank goodness Allen is gone. If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes. CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement. With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now. The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs. And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season. Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre. This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's. But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game. So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction. So, good riddance Jared Allen.
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Bane C.H.I.E.F.S Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: **** your face Casino cash: $10005055	I can't go along with that one.I'll never think that trading JA was a good thing.Maybe the team didn't have the money to spend in that area at the time,but I hate loosing players like him.People always say you draft the best player available,versus the player you actually need.Well that's just reeruned in my opinion,cause if that's the key to victory,then you should also keep the best players you have. Posted via Mobile Device
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10-06-2009, 08:26 AM	#11
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.
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