Chiefs Scott Mitchell vs Scott Mitchell 2.0 - 1st year comparison

B_Ambuehl · 01-04-2010, 01:21 PM

Scott Mitchells 1st full year as Detroit starter:

16 starts
57.6 completion percentage
3,484 yds.
19 TD
14 INT
79.6 rating

Cassell's (a.k.a Scott Mitchell 2.0) 1st full year as KC starter:

15 starts
55% completion percentage
2,924 yards
16 TD
16 INT
69.9 rating

Things aren't looking good for Pioli so far.

DrRyan · 01-04-2010, 01:36 PM

Looking at his stats it looks like you are looking at his third year as a starter, 1997. He starterd 16 games in '95 and 14 in '96. In looking at those stats he killed it in his first year as a starer, '95, 32 TDs and 12 INTs.

After that though, he was pedestrian to awful. I am not defending Cassel here at all. His inaccuracy is some of the worst in the league for a starting QB. But, I think the best case scenario is with him getting a QB coach, correcting some of his flaws and being a serviceable starter. I never see him as being even a second tier NFL QB.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:40 PM

*yawn*

B_Ambuehl · 01-04-2010, 01:41 PM

Yes, that's right. Mitchell was hyped up because of that 1 great year he had with Miami, signed a big contract, and proceeded to suck it up the rest of his career.

It is my (and a few others) belief that Cassell is Scott Mitchell 2.0. He supposedly had a great year in New Englad, got hyped up, signed a 60 million dollar contract, and likely will proceed to suck it up the rest of his career.

It's generally accepted that Mitchell sucked once he left Miami, but right now his 1st full year in Detroit is substantially better then Cassell's 1st year in KC.

Mr. Laz · 01-04-2010, 01:43 PM

just dumb

Icon · 01-04-2010, 01:44 PM

Cassell has to play better next year or he will be the next Scott Mitchell. In Cassell's defense, he didn't have much help. The first half of the season our OL was a sieve, we had no running game and our WRs dropped too many balls. However, the second half of the season our OL improved and we established a decent running game however our WR continued to drop balls.

I'm willing to give Cassell another year. After all, Trent Green's first year here wasn't too stellar either...

DrRyan · 01-04-2010, 01:45 PM

Maybe pro-football-reference.com has it wrong, but they are showing his monster year in 1995 with 32 TDs and 12 picks as being played in Detroit.

Mr. Laz · 01-04-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

Cassell has to play better next year or he will be the next Scott Mitchell. In Cassell's defense, he didn't have much help. The first half of the season our OL was a sieve, we had no running game and our WRs dropped too many balls. However, the second half of the season our OL improved and we established a decent running game however our WR continued to drop balls.

I'm willing to give Cassell another year. After all, Trent Green's first year here wasn't too stellar either...

don't forget that we changed scheme right before the year started and basically spent the first 10 games of the year installing an offense that normally gets down in TC.

we also rotated WR and Olineman

Cassel's 55% completion percent turns into 65% if you get rid all the stupid drops by our bumbling wide receivers as well.

you couldn't invent a worst situation for a QB to be put into

like i said the first time ... just dumb

DumbHillbillies · 01-04-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Maybe pro-football-reference.com has it wrong, but they are showing his monster year in 1995 with 32 TDs and 12 picks as being played in Detroit.

nfl.com has the same

**notorious** · 01-04-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

don't forget that we changed scheme right before the year started and basically spent the first 10 games of the year installing an offense that normally gets down in TC.

we also rotated WR and Olineman

Cassel's 55% completion percent turns into 65% if you get rid all the stupid drops by our bumbling wide receivers as well.

you couldn't invent a worst situation for a QB to be put into

like i said the first time ... just dumb

Sorry Laz, there is not a wide receiver core in the NFL that hasn't dropped passes.

Let's take half of the drops away: 60%

Let's add on his yardage: +175 3100 Total Yards

I don't think his rating goes up a lot......

When you add up his BAD completions (behind the back, not leading receivers, etc.) it cancels out a lot of what we just adjusted.

Just throwing (no pun intended) out another side of the argument.

Mr. Laz · 01-04-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Sorry Laz, there is not a wide receiver core in the NFL that hasn't dropped passes.

Let's take half of the drops away: 60%

Let's add on his yardage: +175 3100 Total Yards

I don't think his rating goes up a lot......

When you add up his BAD completions (behind the back, not leading receivers, etc.) it cancels out a lot of what we just adjusted.

Just throwing (no pun intended) out another side of the argument.

fair enough ... but 60% is still much more acceptable given all the other problems.

heck, installing an offensive system DURING THE YEAR is completely unacceptable and reflect poorly on the QB position more than any other.

no running game
bad offensive line
rotating offensive line(which means they can't usually handle blitzes)
cassel hurt his knee which ask trent green whether that hurts a QB
rotating WR's (which also reflects directly to subpar QB play)
crappy defense

the list goes on and on

cassel played poorly and he MUST improve but the situation he was put in couldn't of been much worse.

TheGuardian · 01-04-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Sorry Laz, there is not a wide receiver core in the NFL that hasn't dropped passes.

Let's take half of the drops away: 60%

Let's add on his yardage: +175 3100 Total Yards

I don't think his rating goes up a lot......

When you add up his BAD completions (behind the back, not leading receivers, etc.) it cancels out a lot of what we just adjusted.

Just throwing (no pun intended) out another side of the argument.

You're looking at one side of it.

Some of those drops would be touchdowns as well. Some of those drops were also interceptions. It changes a lot when you have that many drops, not just completion percentage.

FloridaMan88 · 01-04-2010, 03:19 PM

Scott Mitchell's "breakout" year in Miami was 12 TDs 8 INTs, completing 57.1 % of his passes with an 84.2 QB rating.

Cassel showed more in his year as a starter in New England than Mitchell showed in his year as a starter in Miami.

And if you want to stay with the Scott Mitchell comparison, it is important to note that during Mitchell's second year in Detroit he passed for 4,338 yards, 32 TDs 12 INTs and had a QB rating of 92.3.

Mr. Laz · 01-04-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're looking at one side of it.

Some of those drops would be touchdowns as well. Some of those drops were also interceptions. It changes a lot when you have that many drops, not just completion percentage.

we dropped so many 3rd down passes that would of been a 1st down i wanted to vomit.

you start getting 1st downs and then the QB starts getting confidence and into a rhythm it helps alot too.

i'm not sold on cassel ... i'm just not ready to bury the man either.

ToxSocks · 01-04-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

And if you want to stay with the Scott Mitchell comparison, it is important to note that during Mitchell's second year in Detroit he passed for 4,338 yards, 32 TDs 12 INTs and had a QB rating of 92.3.

Scott Mitchell was a Bad Ass

01-04-2010, 01:21 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	Scott Mitchell vs Scott Mitchell 2.0 - 1st year comparison Scott Mitchells 1st full year as Detroit starter: 16 starts 57.6 completion percentage 3,484 yds. 19 TD 14 INT 79.6 rating Cassell's (a.k.a Scott Mitchell 2.0) 1st full year as KC starter: 15 starts 55% completion percentage 2,924 yards 16 TD 16 INT 69.9 rating Things aren't looking good for Pioli so far.
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01-04-2010, 01:36 PM	#2
DrRyan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AZ Casino cash: $4501721	Looking at his stats it looks like you are looking at his third year as a starter, 1997. He starterd 16 games in '95 and 14 in '96. In looking at those stats he killed it in his first year as a starer, '95, 32 TDs and 12 INTs. After that though, he was pedestrian to awful. I am not defending Cassel here at all. His inaccuracy is some of the worst in the league for a starting QB. But, I think the best case scenario is with him getting a QB coach, correcting some of his flaws and being a serviceable starter. I never see him as being even a second tier NFL QB.
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01-04-2010, 01:41 PM	#4
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	Yes, that's right. Mitchell was hyped up because of that 1 great year he had with Miami, signed a big contract, and proceeded to suck it up the rest of his career. It is my (and a few others) belief that Cassell is Scott Mitchell 2.0. He supposedly had a great year in New Englad, got hyped up, signed a 60 million dollar contract, and likely will proceed to suck it up the rest of his career. It's generally accepted that Mitchell sucked once he left Miami, but right now his 1st full year in Detroit is substantially better then Cassell's 1st year in KC.
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Icon Starter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: flyover country Casino cash: $-2334900	Cassell has to play better next year or he will be the next Scott Mitchell. In Cassell's defense, he didn't have much help. The first half of the season our OL was a sieve, we had no running game and our WRs dropped too many balls. However, the second half of the season our OL improved and we established a decent running game however our WR continued to drop balls. I'm willing to give Cassell another year. After all, Trent Green's first year here wasn't too stellar either...
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01-04-2010, 01:45 PM	#7
DrRyan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AZ Casino cash: $4501721	Maybe pro-football-reference.com has it wrong, but they are showing his monster year in 1995 with 32 TDs and 12 picks as being played in Detroit.
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01-04-2010, 03:19 PM	#13
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-757094	Scott Mitchell's "breakout" year in Miami was 12 TDs 8 INTs, completing 57.1 % of his passes with an 84.2 QB rating. Cassel showed more in his year as a starter in New England than Mitchell showed in his year as a starter in Miami. And if you want to stay with the Scott Mitchell comparison, it is important to note that during Mitchell's second year in Detroit he passed for 4,338 yards, 32 TDs 12 INTs and had a QB rating of 92.3.
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