What's our most important need on defense?

Ralphy Boy · 04-09-2010, 12:33 PM

Not to remind everyone how bad our defense sucks, but think about these stats and then post your opinion on the poll:
We ranked 30th in Total Defense, 22nd in Passing Defense, 31st in Rush Defense, 29th in Scoring Defense. We ranked #16 in Total Tackles, #31 in Total Sacks, #8 in Passes Defensed, #16 in Interceptions and tied for last place with # of Forced Fumbles.

So basically we were weak as hell against the run, middle of the pack against the pass without a pass rush and near the worst in the league in scoring.

We gave up 6,211 yards of offense to other teams for 424 points. 3,707 of that was thru the air while 2,504 of it was on the ground. Averages were 388.2 total yards a game with 231.7 coming thru the air and 156.5 on the ground with 26.5 points per game. Comparatively speaking the #16 ranked teams averages were 326.9 total yards, 215.4 passing, 112.4 ground and 20.4 points per game.

Obviously teams had no problem passing on us but you could hardly say that the secondary is the weak link of our defense.

Given that, what position do you think is most important to upgrade?

Mr. Laz · 04-09-2010, 01:39 PM

sorry ... so many i can't even begin to pick just one

NT > ILB > Safety

our defense is soft as hell up the middle

spanky 52 · 04-09-2010, 01:56 PM

I voted for SS. I know Edwards and Smith aren't the answer at NT, and our ILB's leave much to be desired, but at the moment we don't have a SS unless it's Langford and we don't have a body of work by him to judge. So many holes. I could see us easily going NT in the first, SS and ILB in the second. Piss poor timing on changing to the 3-4 coupled with the trade for Cassel.

Chiefnj2 · 04-09-2010, 01:57 PM

Right up the gut on all 3 levels - NT, ILB, Safety.

Coogs · 04-09-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

sorry ... so many i can't even begin to pick just one

NT > ILB > Safety

our defense is soft as hell up the middle

Berry at 5.
Clausen at 10 or 14
Troup or possibly Thomas in the 3rd.
Spikes in the 4th.
Asante in the 5th
Ford in the 5th
Olsen in the 5th

ToxSocks · 04-09-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Berry at 5.
Clausen at 10 or 14
Troup or possibly Thomas in the 3rd.
Spikes in the 4th.
Asante in the 5th
Ford in the 5th
Olsen in the 5th

Sign me up

**the Talking Can** · 04-09-2010, 02:33 PM

it's a toss up between NT, our entire lb core, and both safeties...

Brock · 04-09-2010, 02:34 PM

I don't know, it's just a big pile of horrible. With only one or two exceptions, really.

BigChiefFan · 04-09-2010, 02:53 PM

NT, followed closely by a pass-rushing OLBer. That said, the value is Berry, if things fall like most have surmized.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-09-2010, 03:16 PM

The better question is "what DON'T we need on defense?"

Answer: 5-techniques and CB1.

Mr. Laz · 04-09-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

Berry at 5.
Clausen at 10 or 14
Troup or possibly Thomas in the 3rd.
Spikes in the 4th.
Asante in the 5th
Ford in the 5th
Olsen in the 5th

i could live with that

CupidStunt · 04-09-2010, 04:15 PM

You realize you asked two completely different questions, don't you?

The most important need is NT. By far.

The position most in need of an upgrade is SS. Closely followed by ILB.

RedThat · 04-09-2010, 04:44 PM

Well, were are running a 3-4 so Im going to have to say first and foremost you can't run a 3-4 effectively w/o a good nose.

Id say that is the most glaring need right now.

Secondly, our linebackers are horrible. Weve got no ILB's and I think we could use an elite passrusher at the other OLB spot. So I'd say OLB is the second most glaring need right now. Despite the season Hali had, he is a liability against the run, and I still think the passrush is atrocious with him.

I really feel the Chiefs could use to two new ILB's. We need more guys in here that could stop the run. The run defense needs to improve the most. Adding a good NT, and a couple of good ILB's should do the trick. It's obvious, R. Edwards, D. Williams and Mays aren't the solutions in that category, and would best serve their roles as backups on this team.

Front 7 of the defense is the area that needs the most improvement as far as im concerned.

Id rank it in this order:

-NT
-OLB
-2 ILB's
-Safety

*I know there are a lot of Berry lovers out there, and if he is there at 5 you take him only because he is the BPA at the time when we pick and his talent and leadership skills shouldn't be overlooked. But, I will say, he addresses a need but not a most important need. It would be a luxury to have him, and I'll say this, they need to address the LBer positions or try to get a NT in rounds 2, 3, and 4. I'd love to see the linebacking corps revamped. I think that desperately needs to happen, and if the Chiefs could find a nose somewhere or if Shaun Smith could surprise, that would be a BIG plus.

milkman · 04-09-2010, 06:56 PM

Mot important need on defense?

Talent.

**SAUTO** · 04-09-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Mot important need on defense?

Talent.

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04-09-2010, 12:33 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	What's our most important need on defense? Not to remind everyone how bad our defense sucks, but think about these stats and then post your opinion on the poll: We ranked 30th in Total Defense, 22nd in Passing Defense, 31st in Rush Defense, 29th in Scoring Defense. We ranked #16 in Total Tackles, #31 in Total Sacks, #8 in Passes Defensed, #16 in Interceptions and tied for last place with # of Forced Fumbles. So basically we were weak as hell against the run, middle of the pack against the pass without a pass rush and near the worst in the league in scoring. We gave up 6,211 yards of offense to other teams for 424 points. 3,707 of that was thru the air while 2,504 of it was on the ground. Averages were 388.2 total yards a game with 231.7 coming thru the air and 156.5 on the ground with 26.5 points per game. Comparatively speaking the #16 ranked teams averages were 326.9 total yards, 215.4 passing, 112.4 ground and 20.4 points per game. Obviously teams had no problem passing on us but you could hardly say that the secondary is the weak link of our defense. Given that, what position do you think is most important to upgrade?
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04-09-2010, 01:39 PM	#2
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	sorry ... so many i can't even begin to pick just one NT > ILB > Safety our defense is soft as hell up the middle __________________
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04-09-2010, 01:57 PM	#4
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Right up the gut on all 3 levels - NT, ILB, Safety. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9162208	it's a toss up between NT, our entire lb core, and both safeties... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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04-09-2010, 01:56 PM	#3
spanky 52 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $-954399	I voted for SS. I know Edwards and Smith aren't the answer at NT, and our ILB's leave much to be desired, but at the moment we don't have a SS unless it's Langford and we don't have a body of work by him to judge. So many holes. I could see us easily going NT in the first, SS and ILB in the second. Piss poor timing on changing to the 3-4 coupled with the trade for Cassel.
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Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I don't know, it's just a big pile of horrible. With only one or two exceptions, really.
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04-09-2010, 02:53 PM	#9
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	NT, followed closely by a pass-rushing OLBer. That said, the value is Berry, if things fall like most have surmized. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	The better question is "what DON'T we need on defense?" Answer: 5-techniques and CB1.
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04-09-2010, 04:15 PM	#12
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $-756668	You realize you asked two completely different questions, don't you? The most important need is NT. By far. The position most in need of an upgrade is SS. Closely followed by ILB.
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04-09-2010, 04:44 PM	#13
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Well, were are running a 3-4 so Im going to have to say first and foremost you can't run a 3-4 effectively w/o a good nose. Id say that is the most glaring need right now. Secondly, our linebackers are horrible. Weve got no ILB's and I think we could use an elite passrusher at the other OLB spot. So I'd say OLB is the second most glaring need right now. Despite the season Hali had, he is a liability against the run, and I still think the passrush is atrocious with him. I really feel the Chiefs could use to two new ILB's. We need more guys in here that could stop the run. The run defense needs to improve the most. Adding a good NT, and a couple of good ILB's should do the trick. It's obvious, R. Edwards, D. Williams and Mays aren't the solutions in that category, and would best serve their roles as backups on this team. Front 7 of the defense is the area that needs the most improvement as far as im concerned. Id rank it in this order: -NT -OLB -2 ILB's -Safety *I know there are a lot of Berry lovers out there, and if he is there at 5 you take him only because he is the BPA at the time when we pick and his talent and leadership skills shouldn't be overlooked. But, I will say, he addresses a need but not a most important need. It would be a luxury to have him, and I'll say this, they need to address the LBer positions or try to get a NT in rounds 2, 3, and 4. I'd love to see the linebacking corps revamped. I think that desperately needs to happen, and if the Chiefs could find a nose somewhere or if Shaun Smith could surprise, that would be a BIG plus.
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04-09-2010, 06:56 PM	#14
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Mot important need on defense? Talent. __________________
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