Football Let's discuss the POSSIBILITY of shaved points and fixing games.(video included)

**Nzoner** · 10-18-2010, 09:51 AM

Can't find it now but when I was n00b here I started a thread that was discussing a book I have called Interference:How Organized Crime Influences the NFL from 1989.

The author is interviewed in the attatched video from the Sajak show.I've also added a couple of other videos,one,which I believe was the biggest example of a fix that I've ever witnessed in the NFL.

Before I get lit up let me say,I'm not saying games are fixed for who wins or loses but I do believe point shaving goes on quite a bit and in the process it affects the wins and losses.

Hope you enjoy the videos and it brings about a good discussion.

FAX · 10-18-2010, 10:15 AM

Having witnessed the Manning Era, there are moments when I wonder if the NFL isn't professional wrasslin' in pads on a real, big, green mat.

FAX

ClevelandBronco · 10-18-2010, 10:31 AM

If you're crazy enough to wager on the performance of people you don't know, you get what you've earned.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-18-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

If you're crazy enough to wager on the performance of people you don't know, you get what you've earned.

There's a whole ton of truth in this.

Deberg_1990 · 10-18-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

Before I get lit up let me say,I'm not saying games are fixed for who wins or loses but I do believe point shaving goes on quite a bit and in the process it affects the wins and losses.

I think it probably goes on in most pro sports, heck we already know it occured in the NBA (Donaghey).

I only pray its not very widespread.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-18-2010, 10:49 AM

There is little question that the call on Flowers was part of a fix. There is simply no other explanation for that as defensive pass interference.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-18-2010, 10:53 AM

Absolutely. Remember Paul "The Wrecking" Crew? I mean, that guy never gave a shit about football. He only played for his old man.

Inspector · 10-18-2010, 11:06 AM

Well, if they are doing that, they should try to be a little more discreet.

**Nzoner** · 10-18-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Having witnessed the Manning Era, there are moments when I wonder if the NFL isn't professional wrasslin' in pads on a real, big, green mat.

FAX

Funny you should use that comparison,I remember reading a quote,I'm thinking it was in a Tim Green book that had an NFL player basically saying that they were really no different than the WWF(at that time) only on a much much bigger stage.

Mecca · 10-18-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

Funny you should use that comparison,I remember reading a quote,I'm thinking it was in a Tim Green book that had an NFL player basically saying that they were really no different than the WWF(at that time) only on a much much bigger stage.

Considering betting is the main thing that has driven the NFL to being the #1 sport it makes sense, they feed that hand that feeds them.

keg in kc · 10-18-2010, 11:16 AM

There's a guy that's been on coast-to-coast a few times who's talked about how the fix is in in every major sports league, from soccer to football to baseball to the NBA. Started to appear on the show around the time that the US was screwed out of world cup competition. It's interesting stuff.

**Nzoner** · 10-18-2010, 11:19 AM

Speaking of Tim Green(ex Atlanta Falcon) here's a bio on one of his books I've read note the 5th and 8th bullet points.

Link

The Dark Side of the Game

Millions watch it. Billions are spent on it. Yet few fans know what life is really like in the NFL. Now an eight-year veteran of the game and a rising sports media superstar reveals—for the first time—the pathos, the horror, the abuses, and the wonder of the sport they call professional football.

Fame and fortune, satisfaction, and thrills define the dream of playing in the NFL. But there's a dark side to that dream. And no one knows it better than Tim Green, former defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons, a featured color analyst for Fox Sports, and National Public Radio's weekly NFL commentator.

Unreported things happen during the season when the player is on the field—and on the sidelines and in the locker rooms. Unreported things also happen during the 149 days of the year when the player is not on the field. All of it takes its toll on the human body and spirit. In professional football, there is a price and it must be paid.

Here's the play-by-play the NFL powers-that-be don't want you to know:

*the futility of training camp—and the outrageous lengths players go to get out of it
*the paradoxes of pain protection—goodbye padding, hello drugs
*the untold war inside every team between the offensive and defensive squads
*the truth about groupies and NFL players
*the thriving perfect partnership between the mob and the NFL
*what the salary cap really is—and why players hate it
*the best—and worst—places to play in the NFL
*the score on racism, AIDS, gambling, steroids, and life after football.

At the same time, you'll meet the NFL's most stellar—and most unjustly neglected—personalities. The dazzling Deion Sanders, Steve Young, the game's most dangerous player. The sport's most outspoken former coach, Jerry Glanville. Not to mention Green's unexpected choice for most valuable man in the NFL: strength and conditioning coach Mike Woicik.

Most of all, you'll soar with the spirit that no corruption can ever kill. The spirit that lives in school teams and sandlot games, and inspires kids to get up, over and over again. The spirit that stays with them as they grow to manhood and urges them to success in every field they tackle. The spirit that tells them they can do it, as long as they aren't afraid to dream.

Otter · 10-18-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

There's a whole ton of truth in this.

But it's fun

Chiefnj2 · 10-18-2010, 11:20 AM

Seattle/Pitt Super Bowl.

FAX · 10-18-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

There's a guy that's been on coast-to-coast a few times who's talked about how the fix is in in every major sports league, from soccer to football to baseball to the NBA. Started to appear on the show around the time that the US was screwed out of world cup competition. It's interesting stuff.

I have learned to never underestimate the power of greed.

It would sadden, but not surprise me, to find that the NFL is rigged to a degree. I am sure that the officials play favorites in games ... my eyes have seen enough to convince my brain that much is true. The call against TG in the playoff game against the Mannings was the icing on the cake.

If Trent Green had had the endorsement deals that Manning had, I honestly don't think they make that call.

FAX

10-18-2010, 09:51 AM
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	Let's discuss the POSSIBILITY of shaved points and fixing games.(video included) Can't find it now but when I was n00b here I started a thread that was discussing a book I have called Interference:How Organized Crime Influences the NFL from 1989. The author is interviewed in the attatched video from the Sajak show.I've also added a couple of other videos,one,which I believe was the biggest example of a fix that I've ever witnessed in the NFL. Before I get lit up let me say,I'm not saying games are fixed for who wins or loses but I do believe point shaving goes on quite a bit and in the process it affects the wins and losses. Hope you enjoy the videos and it brings about a good discussion.
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10-18-2010, 11:16 AM	#11
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	There's a guy that's been on coast-to-coast a few times who's talked about how the fix is in in every major sports league, from soccer to football to baseball to the NBA. Started to appear on the show around the time that the US was screwed out of world cup competition. It's interesting stuff.
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10-18-2010, 11:19 AM	#12
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	Speaking of Tim Green(ex Atlanta Falcon) here's a bio on one of his books I've read note the 5th and 8th bullet points. Link The Dark Side of the Game Millions watch it. Billions are spent on it. Yet few fans know what life is really like in the NFL. Now an eight-year veteran of the game and a rising sports media superstar reveals—for the first time—the pathos, the horror, the abuses, and the wonder of the sport they call professional football. Fame and fortune, satisfaction, and thrills define the dream of playing in the NFL. But there's a dark side to that dream. And no one knows it better than Tim Green, former defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons, a featured color analyst for Fox Sports, and National Public Radio's weekly NFL commentator. Unreported things happen during the season when the player is on the field—and on the sidelines and in the locker rooms. Unreported things also happen during the 149 days of the year when the player is not on the field. All of it takes its toll on the human body and spirit. In professional football, there is a price and it must be paid. Here's the play-by-play the NFL powers-that-be don't want you to know: the futility of training camp—and the outrageous lengths players go to get out of it the paradoxes of pain protection—goodbye padding, hello drugs the untold war inside every team between the offensive and defensive squads the truth about groupies and NFL players *the thriving perfect partnership between the mob and the NFL what the salary cap really is—and why players hate it the best—and worst—places to play in the NFL the score on racism, AIDS, gambling, steroids, and life after football. At the same time, you'll meet the NFL's most stellar—and most unjustly neglected—personalities. The dazzling Deion Sanders, Steve Young, the game's most dangerous player. The sport's most outspoken former coach, Jerry Glanville. Not to mention Green's unexpected choice for most valuable man in the NFL: strength and conditioning coach Mike Woicik. Most of all, you'll soar with the spirit that no corruption can ever kill. The spirit that lives in school teams and sandlot games, and inspires kids to get up, over and over again. The spirit that stays with them as they grow to manhood and urges them to success in every field they tackle. The spirit that tells them they can do it, as long as they aren't afraid to dream. __________________ Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.*
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