NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

RINGLEADER · 02-21-2009, 09:41 AM

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...top-ten-picks/

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-21-2009, 09:41 AM

RINGLEADER · 02-21-2009, 09:42 AM

Beat me by 2 minutes.

I like my headline better.

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 09:42 AM

This thread will go over very well.

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:46 AM

I am starting to believe more and more that this isnt the year to spend a #3 pick on a QB.
I hope they are looking farther down in the draft.

**the Talking Can** · 02-21-2009, 09:47 AM

that shit is reeruned.....just reeruned...

the things that get written and said about stafford around just blow my mind....

stevieray · 02-21-2009, 09:47 AM

[QUOTE=cfl;5512608] At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-21-2009, 09:47 AM

I'd love to know who the "source" was.

Janitor at Lucas Oil Stadium?

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Beat me by 2 minutes.

I like my headline better.

That is a catchy headline...

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

that shit is reeruned.....just reeruned...

the things that get written and said about stafford around just blow my mind....

Its the same crap we hear every year about every top QB prospect.

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:50 AM

STAFFORD CHOOSES NOT TO THROW
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 9:28 a.m.

While monitoring ESPN’s SportsCenter this morning for a possible farewell appearance from Emmitt Smith, one of the talking heads said that Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford won’t throw at the Scouting Combine. (We might have missed this one while trying to revive the hamster that powers our servers.)

It’s a mistake, in our view. Especially since USC quarterback Mark Sanchez will indeed work out.

Stafford’s decision to defer his work to the friendly confines of his practice digs in Georgia will do nothing to quell concerns that Stafford isn’t comfortable on the big stage.

It puts even more pressure on him, in our view, to put together a lights-out workout in Athens.

Sanchez, on the other hand, is rising to the challenge.

Maybe, in the end, that Veruca Salt routine from Pete Carroll will give Sanchez a decade’s worth of motivation.

What is with this guy? He is a pussy.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-21-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd love to know who the "source" was.

Janitor at Lucas Oil Stadium?

Spooge mop operator at the the 25 cent theater next to Lucas Oil Stadium.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-21-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfl

STAFFORD CHOOSES NOT TO THROW
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 9:28 a.m.

While monitoring ESPN’s SportsCenter this morning for a possible farewell appearance from Emmitt Smith, one of the talking heads said that Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford won’t throw at the Scouting Combine. (We might have missed this one while trying to revive the hamster that powers our servers.)

It’s a mistake, in our view. Especially since USC quarterback Mark Sanchez will indeed work out.

Stafford’s decision to defer his work to the friendly confines of his practice digs in Georgia will do nothing to quell concerns that Stafford isn’t comfortable on the big stage.

It puts even more pressure on him, in our view, to put together a lights-out workout in Athens.

Sanchez, on the other hand, is rising to the challenge.

Maybe, in the end, that Veruca Salt routine from Pete Carroll will give Sanchez a decade’s worth of motivation.

What is with this guy? He is a pussy.

This was news three days ago, you ****.

Matt Ryan didn't throw last year either. What a pussy that guy was.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-21-2009, 09:51 AM

Why would Stafford not throw? I just don't understand it. He has a million dollar arm.

The talent at the top of this draft sucks. It figures the year we are in position to pick up a stud, there might not be there one for the taking.

I want Sanchez, but I can see why people feel that neither is worth a top 10 selection.

The problem is, there aren't many guys in this draft worthy of top 10 picks.

Give me Sanchez and I'll be happy as hell.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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02-21-2009, 09:41 AM	#2
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8070503	Does Stafford Pee His Pants When Pressured? Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...top-ten-picks/
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chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	STAFFORD CHOOSES NOT TO THROW Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 9:28 a.m. While monitoring ESPN’s SportsCenter this morning for a possible farewell appearance from Emmitt Smith, one of the talking heads said that Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford won’t throw at the Scouting Combine. (We might have missed this one while trying to revive the hamster that powers our servers.) It’s a mistake, in our view. Especially since USC quarterback Mark Sanchez will indeed work out. Stafford’s decision to defer his work to the friendly confines of his practice digs in Georgia will do nothing to quell concerns that Stafford isn’t comfortable on the big stage. It puts even more pressure on him, in our view, to put together a lights-out workout in Athens. Sanchez, on the other hand, is rising to the challenge. Maybe, in the end, that Veruca Salt routine from Pete Carroll will give Sanchez a decade’s worth of motivation. What is with this guy? He is a pussy.
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02-21-2009, 09:51 AM	#15
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Why would Stafford not throw? I just don't understand it. He has a million dollar arm. The talent at the top of this draft sucks. It figures the year we are in position to pick up a stud, there might not be there one for the taking. I want Sanchez, but I can see why people feel that neither is worth a top 10 selection. The problem is, there aren't many guys in this draft worthy of top 10 picks. Give me Sanchez and I'll be happy as hell. __________________
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