Chiefs Reid insists that is not the problem with the Chiefs' woebegone defense.

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 02:55 PM

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Chiefs starting to face questions about older players

Posted: Oct 12, 2015 8:31 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 12, 2015 10:47 AM PDT
Posted by Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia ProducerCONNECT

Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt wears a pink ribbon as he shakes hands with head coach Andy Reid before an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears in Kansas City, Mo., Sunday, Oct. 11, 2015. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)
Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt wears a pink ribbon as he shakes hands with head coach Andy Reid before an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears in Kansas City, Mo., Sunday, Oct. 11, 2015. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)
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Reid insists that is not the problem with the Chiefs' woebegone defense.

The Chiefs are actually among the youngest teams in the NFL, the product of several seasons spent picking early in the draft.

But they also have a pair of starting linebackers in Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali that are among the oldest in the NFL, raising the question: Has the game started to catch up to two of the best to ever wear a Chiefs uniform?

"I don't see that decline from our older players right now. I don't think that's the issue," Reid said. "I think they're playing hard and doing the things they've done before."

Reid also acknowledged that the tape — and numbers — rarely lie.

In the case of Hali, the formerly feared pass rusher has just six tackles and one sack through four games. That puts Hali on pace for the fewest stops of his 10-year career, and the fewest sacks since he had three in 2008, his third season in the league.

More importantly, the fact that the four-time Pro Bowl selection has been less effective has had a spillover effect on the rest of the defense.

Teams are more easily able to double-team Justin Houston on the other side, or help with nose tackle Dontari Poe. And if a quarterback has more time to throw, it puts additional strain on the defensive backfield.

The result is the league's 29th-ranked defense, allowing nearly 400 yards per game, and one that is tied with this week's opponent, the Chicago Bears, for most points allowed.

"We've got a good group," Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton said. "You have to be very careful not to let your emotion, the highs of winning and the lows of losing, affect you."

Yet emotion is exactly what often forces coaches to leave unproductive players on the field too long. They remember what a player has done in the past rather than take stock of what he is capable of doing in the present, their image of him clouded by sentimentality and time.

Hali, who has not been available to reporters this week, has certainly made it difficult to view him as anything other than a star. He has 80 1/2 sacks in his career, trailing only Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith for most in franchise history. He had 14 1/2 during the 2010 season, which still stands as the fifth-best mark in the Chiefs record book.

He also has proven invaluable in tutoring Houston, now one of the NFL's top pass rushers, and Dee Ford, a first-round pick who is being groomed as Hali's successor.

"One of the foundations of being successful is the loyalty you have to people," said Fox, who is in his first season leading the Bears but got plenty of questions about whether Peyton Manning was washed up during his time coaching the Denver Broncos.

"It can be a tough call," Fox said. "I've had some very tough ones along the way. We're a performance-based business and as a coach or general manager or decision-maker, those are tough calls — how they fit in your system, how capable and reliable they are through time."

Hali, who took a significant pay cut to stay in Kansas City this season, has clearly been reliable. He has rarely been hurt, often playing through the pain of nicks and bruises.

Perhaps all of those are finally catching up to him.

"You know, a lot of them have accomplished a lot for you, so it makes it difficult," Fox said of the challenges that coaches face when it comes to aging players. "It's a tough thing to do."

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**wazu** · 10-13-2015, 02:56 PM

Chiefs offense scores 10 points. Fans blame defense for loss.

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Chiefs offense scores 10 points. Fans blame defense for loss.

Some lady called in to the Radio and pretty much sounded like the leave britney alone guy was pretty much saying next year will be better because we will have a high enough draft pick to get a real LT in there.

Discuss Thrower · 10-13-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Chiefs offense scores 10 points. Fans blame defense for loss.

Defense contributes six points to final score of a game decided by one point.

Fans blame everything but the offense.

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Defense contributes six points to final score of a game decided by one point.

Fans blame everything but the offense.

Where is tigeruppercut with is typical defense wins championships Soapbox

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Chiefs offense scores 10 points. Fans blame defense for loss.

Chiefs defense is 29th in the league and has given up two leads in final minute out of 5 games, fans think a QB will fix everything.

**BossChief** · 10-13-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Chiefs offense scores 10 points. Fans blame defense for loss.

And the defense scored 7

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Chiefs defense is 29th in the league and has given up two leads in final minute out of 5 games, fans think a QB will fix everything.

I think most of us know the defense sucks but with out a QB what's the point of fixing it.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

I think most of us know the defense sucks but with out a QB what's the point of fixing it.

Well then just fold up the franchise.

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2015, 03:15 PM

Hali was done last year.

Ford was drafted to replace him but he's playing 15 snaps a game and is invisible.

Anyone got the PFF pressure numbers for Ford?

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Chiefs defense is 29th in the league and has given up two leads in final minute out of 5 games, fans think a QB will fix everything.

It's already been explained to you that this team would be 3-2 with average QB play.

**Baby Lee** · 10-13-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

It's already been explained to you that this team would be 3-2 with average QB play.

You don't 'explain' a hypothetical. You pose one.

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Hali was done last year.

Ford was drafted to replace him but he's playing 15 snaps a game and is invisible.

Anyone got the PFF pressure numbers for Ford?

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Dayze · 10-13-2015, 03:17 PM

I got blasted last year for saying Hali was on his way to being toast.

I can't believe how much of a turd Ford is. WTF is his deal.

oaklandhater · 10-13-2015, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Well then just fold up the franchise.

I think most of us are pretty much folding up our hope for this franchise until we draft a QB

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oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5808993	Reid insists that is not the problem with the Chiefs' woebegone defense. http://www.kctv5.com/story/30240072/...-older-players Chiefs starting to face questions about older players Posted: Oct 12, 2015 8:31 AM PDT Updated: Oct 12, 2015 10:47 AM PDT Posted by Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia ProducerCONNECT Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt wears a pink ribbon as he shakes hands with head coach Andy Reid before an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears in Kansas City, Mo., Sunday, Oct. 11, 2015. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel) Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt wears a pink ribbon as he shakes hands with head coach Andy Reid before an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears in Kansas City, Mo., Sunday, Oct. 11, 2015. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel) KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - Andy Reid and John Fox have been around the NFL long enough to see hundreds of players come and go, some of them only after age has rendered their once-potent ability ineffective. MORE Loss of Charles a possible dagger in the Chiefs season At the start of the second half the Kansas City offense was driving down the field, poised to extend their lead to 24-3 over Chicago. Then near the goal line on a Jamaal Charles carry, the Chiefs season outlook suffered a big loss. Continue reading >> Related Links Chiefs lose Charles to potentially season-ending knee injury Reid insists that is not the problem with the Chiefs' woebegone defense. The Chiefs are actually among the youngest teams in the NFL, the product of several seasons spent picking early in the draft. But they also have a pair of starting linebackers in Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali that are among the oldest in the NFL, raising the question: Has the game started to catch up to two of the best to ever wear a Chiefs uniform? "I don't see that decline from our older players right now. I don't think that's the issue," Reid said. "I think they're playing hard and doing the things they've done before." Reid also acknowledged that the tape — and numbers — rarely lie. In the case of Hali, the formerly feared pass rusher has just six tackles and one sack through four games. That puts Hali on pace for the fewest stops of his 10-year career, and the fewest sacks since he had three in 2008, his third season in the league. More importantly, the fact that the four-time Pro Bowl selection has been less effective has had a spillover effect on the rest of the defense. Teams are more easily able to double-team Justin Houston on the other side, or help with nose tackle Dontari Poe. And if a quarterback has more time to throw, it puts additional strain on the defensive backfield. The result is the league's 29th-ranked defense, allowing nearly 400 yards per game, and one that is tied with this week's opponent, the Chicago Bears, for most points allowed. "We've got a good group," Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton said. "You have to be very careful not to let your emotion, the highs of winning and the lows of losing, affect you." Yet emotion is exactly what often forces coaches to leave unproductive players on the field too long. They remember what a player has done in the past rather than take stock of what he is capable of doing in the present, their image of him clouded by sentimentality and time. Hali, who has not been available to reporters this week, has certainly made it difficult to view him as anything other than a star. He has 80 1/2 sacks in his career, trailing only Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith for most in franchise history. He had 14 1/2 during the 2010 season, which still stands as the fifth-best mark in the Chiefs record book. He also has proven invaluable in tutoring Houston, now one of the NFL's top pass rushers, and Dee Ford, a first-round pick who is being groomed as Hali's successor. "One of the foundations of being successful is the loyalty you have to people," said Fox, who is in his first season leading the Bears but got plenty of questions about whether Peyton Manning was washed up during his time coaching the Denver Broncos. "It can be a tough call," Fox said. "I've had some very tough ones along the way. We're a performance-based business and as a coach or general manager or decision-maker, those are tough calls — how they fit in your system, how capable and reliable they are through time." Hali, who took a significant pay cut to stay in Kansas City this season, has clearly been reliable. He has rarely been hurt, often playing through the pain of nicks and bruises. Perhaps all of those are finally catching up to him. "You know, a lot of them have accomplished a lot for you, so it makes it difficult," Fox said of the challenges that coaches face when it comes to aging players. "It's a tough thing to do." Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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