Chiefs Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:57 AM

http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith

SEAN KEELER
Yesterday at 7:14 PM
Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:58 AM

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

DJ's left nut · 10-23-2015, 11:02 AM

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

He use to look like a real QB

Him and Reid should have never met.

KC_Lee · 10-23-2015, 11:09 AM

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year;

- Too many changes a offensive coordinator; he's had the same coaching staff for the past 3 years, his HC is the man that brought him to KC

- Not enough tools around him; he's had arguably the best all around RB in his backfield and a young and up and coming TE for the past 2 years, now he can't even get the ball to his #1 WR

- The offensive system he plays in does not suit his style; this offensive system is supposed to play to his "strengths" and he can even operate this system effectively

All of Smith's excuses fall flat. When you go into MN and hold AP to less than 100 yards and MN only scores 16 points you have to be a total dumb ass not to walk out without a win. But KC and our vaunted QB did just that, pissed away another opportunity to get out with a win based on the lack of quality QB play..

**Bob Dole** · 10-23-2015, 11:14 AM

Wow. Bob Dole hadn't noticed fans having a problem with Smith.

This thread is an eye opener!

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Wow. Bob Dole hadn't noticed fans having a problem with Smith.

This thread is an eye opener!

It's nice the media is burning on Smith faster then it did cassel

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

TEX · 10-23-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year;

- Too many changes a offensive coordinator; he's had the same coaching staff for the past 3 years, his HC is the man that brought him to KC

- Not enough tools around him; he's had arguably the best all around RB in his backfield and a young and up and coming TE for the past 2 years, now he can't even get the ball to his #1 WR

- The offensive system he plays in does not suit his style; this offensive system is supposed to play to his "strengths" and he can even operate this system effectively

All of Smith's excuses fall flat. When you go into MN and hold AP to less than 100 yards and MN only scores 16 points you have to be a total dumb ass not to walk out without a win. But KC and our vaunted QB did just that, pissed away another opportunity to get out with a win based on the lack of quality QB play..

Smith does suck, but no mention of the worst OL in football going on two seasons now. Better fix it before you get another QB. Until then, keep lining Smith up behind it. Cant do anymore damage. Dude is beyond repair.

Sandy Vagina · 10-23-2015, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year

Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.

That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, the jump from legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

Our Defense needs

1.Another LB if ford is a Bust Tamba is done
2.More CB depth if Smith leaves
3.Another DT to take some of the snaps for Poe

I really want to know why Dee Ford is not getting some snaps Chiefs need to see if we have to draft another LB next year.

O.city · 10-23-2015, 11:31 AM

The problem with some of you, is that you don't realize how much smith plays into those problems or is a reason for them.

The offensive line is made to look worse my our qb bring slow processing info and holding the ball, not completing passes downfield. Hell, 3 plays against the Vikings we have Maclin matched up 1 on 1 outside where a decent throw is a big gain or pass interference.

The play calling is made to look worse because it has to be used to mask deficiency in our qb.

But, thus post is being glossed ovee, so carry on

10-23-2015, 10:57 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016 http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith SEAN KEELER Yesterday at 7:14 PM Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall. Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible. You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy. It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion. Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million. As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016. At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.) “Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program. The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money. To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids. So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce. If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.
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10-23-2015, 10:58 AM	#2
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit
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10-23-2015, 11:02 AM	#3
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-810901	No. He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them. He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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10-23-2015, 11:09 AM	#5
KC_Lee You're CARICATURES, ALL of you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1869040	All the excuses for Smith's failure as a NFL QB are out the window this year; - Too many changes a offensive coordinator; he's had the same coaching staff for the past 3 years, his HC is the man that brought him to KC - Not enough tools around him; he's had arguably the best all around RB in his backfield and a young and up and coming TE for the past 2 years, now he can't even get the ball to his #1 WR - The offensive system he plays in does not suit his style; this offensive system is supposed to play to his "strengths" and he can even operate this system effectively All of Smith's excuses fall flat. When you go into MN and hold AP to less than 100 yards and MN only scores 16 points you have to be a total dumb ass not to walk out without a win. But KC and our vaunted QB did just that, pissed away another opportunity to get out with a win based on the lack of quality QB play.. __________________ “There is no absolute knowledge. And those who claim it, whether they are scientists or dogmatists, open the door to tragedy.” - Jacob Bronowski, The Ascent of Man
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10-23-2015, 11:14 AM	#6
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1294563	Wow. Bob Dole hadn't noticed fans having a problem with Smith. This thread is an eye opener!
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10-23-2015, 11:31 AM	#15
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-695936	The problem with some of you, is that you don't realize how much smith plays into those problems or is a reason for them. The offensive line is made to look worse my our qb bring slow processing info and holding the ball, not completing passes downfield. Hell, 3 plays against the Vikings we have Maclin matched up 1 on 1 outside where a decent throw is a big gain or pass interference. The play calling is made to look worse because it has to be used to mask deficiency in our qb. But, thus post is being glossed ovee, so carry on
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