Football True cost of refs' mistake on N'Keal Harry catch was not 4 points

DanT · 12-09-2019, 11:14 AM

Instead of scoring 6 points with an opportunity for an extra point kick or a two-point conversion, Patriots had a 1st and Goal from the 3, which is worth at least 4 expected points. Sure, the Chiefs stout defense held the Patriots to just a FG, but it is not correct, in my opinion, to say that call was worth 4 points. More like 3 points.
Here's a link to a page from 2016 that discusses expected points and has graphics that show the leaguewide and the Patriot's expected points for first downs from various field positions. Even though these are old, it is clear that if you are on the opponent's 3 with 1st and goal to go, your average points to get on the drive is higher than 4. https://www.patspulpit.com/2016/8/9/...riots-1st-down

bdj23 · 12-09-2019, 11:18 AM

Dont care lol

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2019, 11:19 AM

Sick of this whining about missed calls.

The refs gifted the Pats calls in the first half too. BS pass interference penalty taking away a Pats punt. Blatant roughing the passer with flag picked up. BS holding call on kelce. Calls that Romo couldn't defend.

I do get that the refs helped us a bit at the end. But given how much the Patriots get helped by refs... I don't give a shit. And the officiating wasn't one sided. They gifted the Pats tons of calls too and didn't capitalize.

ARROW2 · 12-09-2019, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sick of this whining about missed calls.

The refs gifted the Pats calls in the first half too. BS pass interference penalty taking away a Pats punt. Blatant roughing the passer with flag picked up. BS holding call on kelce. Calls that Romo couldn't defend.

I do get that the refs helped us a bit at the end. But given how much the Patriots get helped by refs... I don't give a shit. And the officiating wasn't one sided. They gifted the Pats tons of calls too and didn't capitalize.

Missed block in the back on the Harry play. Go back and look everybody.

Sofa King · 12-09-2019, 11:22 AM

How much was the tuck rule worth?

**mdchiefsfan** · 12-09-2019, 11:23 AM

Scoreboard, check it

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2019, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2

Missed block in the back on the Harry play. Go back and look everybody.

Right. And mahomes push out of bounds. Which is called most of the time and 11 times out of 10 if that was Brady.

Chiefspants · 12-09-2019, 11:25 AM

"Teams have to be good enough to overcome bad calls"

CaliforniaChief · 12-09-2019, 11:25 AM

Did the better team win? Absolutely without a shadow of a freaking doubt, and it shouldn't have been that close.

Go back to your cupcake schedule now. See you in the playoffs where we will win AGAIN.

smithandrew051 · 12-09-2019, 11:28 AM

The Patriots are mentally weak and can’t handle adversity. If you’re bitching about getting first and goal from the 3 because it’s too hard to gain 3 yards against the Chiefs defense, then you’re a mental midget bitch ass pussy.

lcarus · 12-09-2019, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right. And mahomes push out of bounds. Which is called most of the time and 11 times out of 10 if that was Brady.

Yep and the "There is no roughing penalty as the defenders body weight landed to the side of the quarterback". Then the replay shows him clearly landing 100% full body weight on Mahomes.

If Kelce didn't have one of the dumber plays I've seen in recent memory we probably blow those fools out. Huge 3rd down and he gets it by 2 yards. All he has to do is run forward and go down when tackled but instead he runs backwards 3 yards into a sea of defenders and fumbles. Pissed me off more than Chris Conleys fumble in Pittsburgh last season.

Red Dawg · 12-09-2019, 11:29 AM

What about the non call for the block in the back that got Harry to the outside. Also the Kelce fumble would not have been a TD. Hill was in his face and two other Chiefs are close enough to stop him. Pat's fans are entitled babies.

CaliforniaChief · 12-09-2019, 11:30 AM

This is classic Boston:

It's the world against us! We're Boston Strong! Terrorists hate us! America hates us! The NFL hates us!

It's their victim narrative that goes way back and it's delightful to heave a wrecking ball at it. I can only hope we'll get another shot in the playoffs.

**notorious** · 12-09-2019, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

"Teams have to be good enough to overcome bad calls"

Keep saying his over and over.

Chris Meck · 12-09-2019, 11:38 AM

nah, it was 4 points.

They scored a TD. It was taken off the board. They had to kick a FG. That's 4 points.

Yeah, yeah, stat this and stat that.

They scored a six. EP makes 7. Instead, they got 3. 4 points.

Now ask me if I feel sorry for those mother****ers.

LOL

12-09-2019, 11:14 AM
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4231711	True cost of refs' mistake on N'Keal Harry catch was not 4 points Instead of scoring 6 points with an opportunity for an extra point kick or a two-point conversion, Patriots had a 1st and Goal from the 3, which is worth at least 4 expected points. Sure, the Chiefs stout defense held the Patriots to just a FG, but it is not correct, in my opinion, to say that call was worth 4 points. More like 3 points. Here's a link to a page from 2016 that discusses expected points and has graphics that show the leaguewide and the Patriot's expected points for first downs from various field positions. Even though these are old, it is clear that if you are on the opponent's 3 with 1st and goal to go, your average points to get on the drive is higher than 4. https://www.patspulpit.com/2016/8/9/...riots-1st-down
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1764497	Sick of this whining about missed calls. The refs gifted the Pats calls in the first half too. BS pass interference penalty taking away a Pats punt. Blatant roughing the passer with flag picked up. BS holding call on kelce. Calls that Romo couldn't defend. I do get that the refs helped us a bit at the end. But given how much the Patriots get helped by refs... I don't give a shit. And the officiating wasn't one sided. They gifted the Pats tons of calls too and didn't capitalize.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4532858	What about the non call for the block in the back that got Harry to the outside. Also the Kelce fumble would not have been a TD. Hill was in his face and two other Chiefs are close enough to stop him. Pat's fans are entitled babies. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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12-09-2019, 11:38 AM	#15
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1654910	nah, it was 4 points. They scored a TD. It was taken off the board. They had to kick a FG. That's 4 points. Yeah, yeah, stat this and stat that. They scored a six. EP makes 7. Instead, they got 3. 4 points. Now ask me if I feel sorry for those mother****ers. LOL
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