Chiefs Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

**BigRedChief** · 05-09-2023, 07:45 AM

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

Elite QB
Great O-line
JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
Solid Defense
Good kicking game

Discipline

Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

TLO · 05-09-2023, 07:47 AM

Thanks

BeMyValentine · 05-09-2023, 07:53 AM

So when are the chiefs getting a great o-line and a solid defense? Carl Peterson did those

**IA_Chiefs_fan** · 05-09-2023, 07:54 AM

There are certainly some similarities.

OKchiefs · 05-09-2023, 08:26 AM

You act like they intentionally let Hill walk with this plan to go with JAG WRs. No, they were close to offering him what he wanted and would have paid him a handsome contract. It didn’t work out, but they certainly didn’t plan to go with nobodies at WR.

Direckshun · 05-09-2023, 08:27 AM

It's funny because the last couple of years, I actually felt that they've been copying the Giants model from those Eli Manning years.

DL in the first round, WRs in the second round.

Gives them the meanest DL their resources can afford while keeping their QB's weapons stocked.

Skyy God · 05-09-2023, 08:33 AM

Belicheat tended to trade down in the draft.

Also used those picks in bizarre ways on non-premium positions.

Dude is a fraud without Brady.

staylor26 · 05-09-2023, 08:34 AM

They've invested 2 2nds and a 3rd in the last 2 years at WR, I don't think "JAG and/or value FA" WRs is what they're going for. They've just been transitioning from a bonafide stud WR1 to a more diverse/deep group of skill sets on rookie deals.

O.city · 05-09-2023, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

They've invested 2 2nds and a 3rd in the last 2 years at WR, I don't think "JAG and/or value FA" WRs is what they're going for. They've just been translationing from a bonafide stud WR1 to a more diverse/deep group of skill sets on rookie deals.

Yeah, I can't quite figure out the "jags" at WR stuff.

Sure, they don't have Tyreek anymore, but shit, unless everyone wants to spent first round picks on WR's, I'm not really sure what we want here.

Hoover · 05-09-2023, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

They've invested 2 2nds and a 3rd in the last 2 years at WR, I don't think "JAG and/or value FA" WRs is what they're going for. They've just been translationing from a bonafide stud WR1 to a more diverse/deep group of skill sets on rookie deals.

This is my thought as well. Its not JAG or value FAs, its rookie contracts, young and talented WR that cost basically nothing. Toney and Moore cost us 3.5 million, neither are JAGs. Both could have explosive seasons next year.

MVS is a value WR, he's not a #1 WR, but his 11M contract is the most we are paying at the position.

O.city · 05-09-2023, 08:49 AM

"We have to draft and develop, now that we're paying Mahomes to stay good long term we've gotta do it this way"..

Team drafts and tries to develop WR's thru the draft

"These guys are jags what are we doing".

Shoes · 05-09-2023, 08:49 AM

JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's

Not exactly sure I agree with this take since they've taken some stabs with 2nd rounders to shore up their receivers. I think "value WR's" is something that the Chiefs will always take a look at because it's low hanging fruit. Richie James is a good example because he's coming from a bad passing offense- he's only earning ~1.25m with the Chiefs but James was responsible for 16.6% of the Giants receiving yards last year. If he was to have a similar year on the Chiefs, he'd be around a 850 yard receiver (not that I exactly expect that but 16% is nothing to sneeze at).

Good front offices are always going to try and find value when there is a salary cap. Value receivers/running backs are typically going to be easier to find than the other positions you mentioned. It's a two way street also, receivers are going to want to come to Kansas City to see if they can parlay a successful season with a good passing offense into a bigger contract (see Juju).

Best22 · 05-09-2023, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BeMyValentine

So when are the chiefs getting a great o-line and a solid defense? Carl Peterson did those

We had a great line last year

TEX · 05-09-2023, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

Elite QB
Great O-line
JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
Solid Defense
Good kicking game

Discipline

Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

Don't forget about the All World TE.

JPH83 · 05-09-2023, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

They've invested 2 2nds and a 3rd in the last 2 years at WR, I don't think "JAG and/or value FA" WRs is what they're going for. They've just been translationing from a bonafide stud WR1 to a more diverse/deep group of skill sets on rookie deals.

I don't know what this word is staylor but I'm 100% here for it...

JK

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Shoes Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2949690	JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's Not exactly sure I agree with this take since they've taken some stabs with 2nd rounders to shore up their receivers. I think "value WR's" is something that the Chiefs will always take a look at because it's low hanging fruit. Richie James is a good example because he's coming from a bad passing offense- he's only earning ~1.25m with the Chiefs but James was responsible for 16.6% of the Giants receiving yards last year. If he was to have a similar year on the Chiefs, he'd be around a 850 yard receiver (not that I exactly expect that but 16% is nothing to sneeze at). Good front offices are always going to try and find value when there is a salary cap. Value receivers/running backs are typically going to be easier to find than the other positions you mentioned. It's a two way street also, receivers are going to want to come to Kansas City to see if they can parlay a successful season with a good passing offense into a bigger contract (see Juju).
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