Mahomes chasing the GOAT

[RedinTexas]

It seems inarguable that Brady is the GOAT, but we're past the end of his 23 season career and we see the entirety of his achievements. Mahomes is only in his 7th season, so it would be fair to compare Brady at the same point in his career. Since success is the ultimate measure for such a comparison, I only looked at playoff performance.

Brady started his career at age 23 while Mahomes started at age 22 and both players made their first playoff start in their second season. Currently, Mahomes is finishing his 7th season and will finish with 18 career playoff starts. At the end of his 7th season Brady had made 14 playoff starts. Brady did not get to 18 playoff starts until the end of his 10th season.

Mahomes is currently 14-3 (.824) in his playoff starts while Brady was 12-2 (.857) after his 7th season and 14-3 (.824) after his 17th playoff start.

At the end of his 7th season, Mahomes will have either 2 or 3 Super Bowl wins, while at the end of his 7th season Brady had 3 Super Bowl wins and after his 18th playoff game he was still at 3 Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes' numbers are better than Brady's across the board too. All of these comparisons are after 17 playoff games:

Completions - Mahomes (M) 422 - Brady (B) 372
Completion % - M 67.4 - B 62.5
Yards/attempt - M 7.7 - B 6.6
Yards - M 4802 - B 3954
Touchdowns - M 39 - B 26
Interceptions - M 7 - B 12
Sacks - M 32 - B 28

Rushing stats
Attempts - M 81 - B 42
Yards - M 458 - B 68
Yards/attempt - M 5.65 - B 1.62
Touchdowns - M 5 - B 2

None of this is presented to say that Mahomes should be called the GOAT over Brady, but he is well on the way to getting there.

All statistics are from pro football reference.

[wazu]

It's okay for you to go ahead and call Mahomes the GOAT. If an NFL start-up draft were held today, and all player ages were reset to 22 years old, we all know who the #1 overall pick would be.

[Mecca]

There's going to be a lot of talk in the next 2 weeks about whether Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT.

I liked the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract because he ranked players two ways: peak and career.

I think it's clear Mahomes has passed Brady and Manning as the Peak GOAT.…

— Aaron Schatz �� (@ASchatzNFL) January 29, 2024

That's an interesting way to look at it.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's an interesting way to look at it.

I like that too. I call it "Prime GOAT" or a GOAT in their Prime....


never heard Peak Goat before but I like it.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

There's going to be a lot of talk in the next 2 weeks about whether Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT.

I liked the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract because he ranked players two ways: peak and career.

I think it's clear Mahomes has passed Brady and Manning as the Peak GOAT.…

— Aaron Schatz �� (@ASchatzNFL) January 29, 2024

That's an interesting way to look at it.

I was thinking about it yesterday (not this post specifically) and I think that's fair.

Like Mahomes is a better QB than Brady was. I mean like the mechanics of being a QB, making throws and doing crazy shit. But if you want to judge who is the goat based on who won the most SB's, which I think is a very fair metric to judge by, it's obviously Brady. But to me that's a little bit of an oversimplification. Like if Dee Ford lines up onside Brady likely has one less and Mahomes has one more, but that doesn't really have to do with Brady or Mahomes specifically.

Mahomes hasn't caught Brady yet, I'd still call Brady the GOAT but Mahomes I think is on the trajectory to do it and I think he will eclipse Brady by the end of his career even if the ring count is still in Brady's favor.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

I was thinking about it yesterday (not this post specifically) and I think that's fair.

Like Mahomes is a better QB than Brady was. I mean like the mechanics of being a QB, making throws and doing crazy shit. But if you want to judge who is the goat based on who won the most SB's, which I think is a very fair metric to judge by, it's obviously Brady. But to me that's a little bit of an oversimplification. Like if Dee Ford lines up onside Brady likely has one less and Mahomes has one more, but that doesn't really have to do with Brady or Mahomes specifically.

Mahomes hasn't caught Brady yet, I'd still call Brady the GOAT but Mahomes I think is on the trajectory to do it and I think he will eclipse Brady by the end of his career even if the ring count is still in Brady's favor.

if Dee ford lines up onsides, the Chiefs beat NE and go onto win the SB in 2018. however, it is very likely that Bob Sutton wouldn’t have been fired. no way are we this successful (2 SBs, 4 SB appearances) without Spags.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

if Dee ford lines up onsides, the Chiefs beat NE and go onto win the SB in 2018. however, it is very likely that Bob Sutton wouldn’t have been fired. no way are we this successful without Spags.

that's fair but that's also kind of what I'm getting at with judging goatness solely by who has the most rings, there's so much that's outside the control of the QB

like i'll be honest that I dont' know enough about the partiots to say this but if you put Brady in for Mahomes on this team specifically do they get past the Bills and the Ravens? IDK

[Gary Cooper]

Wake me up when he matches Troy Aikman in Super Bowl wins.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

It seems inarguable that Brady is the GOAT,

I'll argue it. Brady was carried by great defenses at the beginning of his career and cheated the 2nd half of his career. He french kisses his son and deserves to die a horrible and painful death. **** Tom Brady and all the sister ****ing Patriot fans that worship the ground the cheating scumbag walks on.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I'll argue it. Brady was carried by great defenses at the beginning of his career and cheated the 2nd half of his career. He french kisses his son and deserves to die a horrible and painful death. **** Tom Brady and all the sister ****ing Patriot fans that worship the ground the cheating scumbag walks on.

As much as we hate him..he's apparently good friends with Pat, I know Brady likes Pat more than any other QB currently playing.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This prime version of Mahomes, or just everything we've seen since 2018, is the best football player ever. He would be the top pick in a draft for certain.

And New England fans know it for the most part. That's why they're so damn sensitive to he and Kelce's success despite the fact that they still have over double the rings.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This prime version of Mahomes, or just everything we've seen since 2018, is the best football player ever. He would be the top pick in a draft for certain.

And New England fans know it for the most part. That's why they're so damn sensitive to he and Kelce's success despite the fact that they still have over double the rings.

Even Portnoy's bitch ass sort of admitted it yesterday.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

It seems inarguable that Brady is the GOAT, but we're past the end of his 23 season career and we see the entirety of his achievements. Mahomes is only in his 7th season, so it would be fair to compare Brady at the same point in his career. Since success is the ultimate measure for such a comparison, I only looked at playoff performance.

Brady started his career at age 23 while Mahomes started at age 22 and both players made their first playoff start in their second season. Currently, Mahomes is finishing his 7th season and will finish with 18 career playoff starts. At the end of his 7th season Brady had made 14 playoff starts. Brady did not get to 18 playoff starts until the end of his 10th season.

Mahomes is currently 14-3 (.824) in his playoff starts while Brady was 12-2 (.857) after his 7th season and 14-3 (.824) after his 17th playoff start.

At the end of his 7th season, Mahomes will have either 2 or 3 Super Bowl wins, while at the end of his 7th season Brady had 3 Super Bowl wins and after his 18th playoff game he was still at 3 Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes' numbers are better than Brady's across the board too. All of these comparisons are after 17 playoff games:

Completions - Mahomes (M) 422 - Brady (B) 372
Completion % - M 67.4 - B 62.5
Yards/attempt - M 7.7 - B 6.6
Yards - M 4802 - B 3954
Touchdowns - M 39 - B 26
Interceptions - M 7 - B 12
Sacks - M 32 - B 28

Rushing stats
Attempts - M 81 - B 42
Yards - M 458 - B 68
Yards/attempt - M 5.65 - B 1.62
Touchdowns - M 5 - B 2

None of this is presented to say that Mahomes should be called the GOAT over Brady, but he is well on the way to getting there.

All statistics are from pro football reference.

What are you talking about? How can anyone whose team cheated to help him win games/multiple super bowls be considered the GOAT by everyone? Plenty of people who are out there who think someone else is the GOAT. So speak for yourself.

[Rainbarrel]

The term GOAT is being eclipsed. Mahomes

[smithandrew051]

After Mahomes got his first, I predicted he would win 3 Super Bowls.

After the second, I upped that to 4. 1 more in the prime. 1 at the end of his career.

If we win this one, I’m done guessing. I don’t have a realistic number to guess.