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Part 1. Which of these teams has the STRONGEST QB history over the past 50 years? |
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1 | 3.13% |
Miami |
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12 | 37.50% |
New England |
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17 | 53.13% |
NY Giants |
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3 | 9.38% |
Oakland |
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0 | 0% |
Part 2. Which of these teams has the WEAKEST QB history over the past 50 years? |
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1 | 3.13% |
Miami |
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3 | 9.38% |
New England |
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0 | 0% |
NY Giants |
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5 | 15.63% |
Oakland |
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22 | 68.75% |
I wouldn't vote for any of these pencil-necked geeks. |
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3 | 9.38% |
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When I compare these teams, Miami and New England are clearly stronger than New York and Oakland.
On the weaker end, Tarkenton was the best QB of the lot. Add in solid years by Simms and generally Manning, and I think the Giants beat the shorter-tenured solid QBs of Oakland. Oakland is the weakest of the group. On the stronger end, it's really close. Would I rather have 16 years of Marino or 14 years of Brady? Marino, but it's close. Would I rather have 12 years of Griese or 8 of Bledsoe and 4 of Plunkett? Griese, but it's close. But after that, the Dolphins have nothing other than Tannehill and one year of Earl Morrell. The Patriots don't have much, either, but they've got a year of Flutie and 11 years of stability with Steve Grogan. Part of me wants to punish New England for sticking with Grogan for 11 years. Seriously? In a decade you couldn't even try to do better? This is really tough, but I'd probably go Miami by a hair.
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I agree with all of your analysis, pretty much, but want to comment on Grogan. He was drafted in 1975, replacing Plunkett (who was not good with NE) and was the de facto starter until 1973 (8 years, not 11) when the Pats drafted Tony Eason (not Dan Marino, unfortunately) to replace him. From there until the end of his career, the Patriots were definitely TRYING (and failing) to upgrade the position. And Grogan certainly wasn't great, but he was a very above average runner, and on Patriots teams with ridiculous offensive lines and with great running backs, he enhanced the threat. The 1978 Patriots team to this day (and probably forever given the nature of the NFL now) holds the records for most running yardage in a season -- 3,165. That team didn't have a single runner with more than 800 yards, and Grogan had over 500 of them. For what little it is worth...
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I agree that it was close between New England and Miami. I could go either way, but ultimately went with the Patriots primarily because of Brady's Superbowl wins. So I would choose him over Marino. Griese over Bledsoe, but just barely. Not enough to tip the scales in Miami's favor.
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I think Bledsoe is underrated as a QB in NFL annals. I figured he'd take some team to the Super Bowl at some point.
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Meh. Bledsoe had a million dollar arm and a ten cent head. He would lose you a game as quickly as he won it for you by his sometimes stupid decision-making. He did take the Pats to the 1996 SB, the one they lost to Green Bay, with Parcells as HC, Curtis Martin at RB, and a solid overall team. He never lived up to his #1 overall draft status, so Pats fans hate him for not being ultra-elite. He was definitely an above-average QB for most of his career, but his decision-making was atrocious at times. There is, ultimately, a reason why the Pats won the SB **after** he got hurt in 2001, and then BB felt confident enough to trade him within the division to the Bills after that season, even though he wasn't even 30 years old at that point. In many ways, he relied on his arm instead of hard-work, and he wasn't as coachable as he should have been. I hear he's a very nice guy, so I dont' want to call him a spoiled prima donna, but let's just say he was the anointed one, and acted like it from time to time.
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I went with the Giants as having the best, specifically most consistent over the last 50 years. Giants have 4 SBs, 2 of them with Eli over Brady. Not a knock on Brady, but if you're looking at the bigger picture... what was NE really before Brady?
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You're normally a pretty rational poster, but really? You're awarding the quarterback award to the Giants based on the fact that they won four SBs based almost entirely on awesome defenses. Neither Phil Simms nor Eli are getting into the Hall of Fame. Actually, for what it's worth, Brady has double the Pro Bowls of the two of them put together (11 to 6), and more everything else in terms of awards (MVP, All Pro, etc.). And this is football. Eli didn't beat Brady. The Giants DLine dominated the Pats OLine to win those SBs (plus Gronk was hurt in '11). If you want to vote Miami over Pats, I can see it. Giants? errr....no.
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Are you implying that Matt Cassel's pro bowl appearance in 2010 was anything other than a well-deserved accolade for a fine season?
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Sure, but I'm trying to point out why your opinion doesn't make much sense. Just by way of example, the Redskins (3 SB wins, with Joe Theisman (who is famous but not in the Hall of FAme and for good reason), Nobody #1 and Nobody #2) did not have better quarterbacks during the 80s than the Dolphins (zero SB wins, but Dan freaking Marino). Heck, if you want to look at it from your point of view, the Patriots have GONE to an NFL-record-tying EIGHT SBs during the 50 years, while the Giants have only gone to five. Does that automatically give the Patriots the crown? I don't think so. If you want to argue that Eli Manning is underrated and hey, those were pretty good five years from TArkenton that nobody remembers now, I would get that. To say "hey, 4 SBs over a longer period of time" makes no sense when the SBs were largely defense-oriented. I don't hate the Giants any more than the Dolphins, and I'll gladly admit it's a pretty close call whether the Pats or 'phins had better QBs over the 50 years. But I wouldn't argue that the Patriots DEFENSES over 50 years are better than the Giants' DEFENSES, because I dont' think that makes much sense. Neither do I think Giants having better QBs than the Patriots makes much sense.
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