I gotta a question....about tie breakers, it's not a complicated one, a simple one

RedThat · 12-24-2006, 05:06 PM

Lets say next week, 3 teams finish 9-7. I will say the Chiefs 9-7, Denver 9-7, New York Jets 9-7.

So, Jacksonville goes 8-8. Tennesee goes 8-8.

*How would they determine the tie breaker amongst the Chiefs, Broncos, and Jets?

Note its 3 teams here. So what would happen?

Hootie · 12-24-2006, 05:08 PM

Chiefs and Jets because the Chiefs have a better division record then Denver.

Now, if Denver had played New York and won, then I think it goes to conference record between all three teams, or something.

mcan · 12-24-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Now, if Denver had played New York and won, then I think it goes to conference record between all three teams, or something.

Even then, it would still be Chiefs and Jets. The rules are set up so division tiebreakers ALWAYS apply first.

Otherwise you'ld end up with division standing that looked like this.

1. New England 11-5 DIV WINNER
2. New York Jets 9-7 S.O.L.
3. Buffalo 9-7 WILDCARD
4. Miami 7-9

Hootie · 12-24-2006, 05:14 PM

Even though Denver beat NYJ?

I guess that makes sense...but that's pretty weak. I'd be pissed if we were 9-7, beat a 9-7 team, missed the playoffs while the 9-7 team we beat got in...

Hammock Parties · 12-24-2006, 05:15 PM

Denver didn't play the Jets.

Hootie · 12-24-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Denver didn't play the Jets.

I know...

We're playing the 'what if' card...

ROYC75 · 12-24-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I know...

We're playing the 'what if' card...

Then crap,what if we had beat Miami, and what if we had beat Cleveland, and Baltimore, and @ Denver ?

What if we had not lost a game ?

What if we had not gotten Herm but gotten Al Saunders ?

What if Dick Vermiel had not retired ?

The deal is screw the what if game....... really, KC had the chances and ****ed it up.

Hootie · 12-24-2006, 05:22 PM

Idiot.

You're not getting the point. Someone asked about tiebreakers...in a three-way tie, we would get in because we hold the tiebreaker over Denver.

But then I said, what if Denver beat NYJ...who gets in that way? Since Denver would hold a tiebreaker over NYJ, and KC holds a tiebreaker over Denver...

That's what we're talking about...

You can replace NYJ and KC with TEN and SF if it helps you not be such a douche rag.

RedThat · 12-24-2006, 05:48 PM

See this is what im trying to figure out.

I dont know how to interpret this? I went under google.com and typed in NFL playoffs tie breaking procedures, and here is what i came up with.

Now let say there is a 3 way tie?

This is what it says: (Please read where it says,3 or more clubs

Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

58-4ever · 12-24-2006, 05:49 PM

Where do the Bengals finish in your senario?

RedThat · 12-24-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Where do the Bengals finish in your senario?

I say they win out. They go 10-6.

mcan · 12-24-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
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This is the important thing. They want to make sure that the division standings remain intact in the conference standings. Here is how it stacks up right now.

AFC CONFERENCE
1 San Diego W 12-2
2 Baltimore N 12-3
3 Indianapolis S 11-4
4 New England E 11-4
5 Denver W 8-6
6 Cincinnati N 8-6
7 N.Y. Jets E 8-6
8 Tennessee S 8-7 <-- Example (conf 5-6)
9 Kansas City W 8-7 <-- Example (conf 4-7)
10 Jacksonville S 8-7 <-- Example (conf 5-6)
11 Buffalo E 7-8
12 Pittsburgh N 7-8
13 Miami E 6-8
14 Houston S 5-10
15 Cleveland N 4-11
16 Oakland W 2-13

Jacksonville's conference record is better than ours, but divison matters first. Tennessee is above Jacksonville in the South because they have a better division record, so the next tiebreaker happens exclusively between KC and Tenn, they win that tiebreaker. This exact scenerio can happen if KC and Denver end up tied in the West. We win the tiebreaker over them and lose a tiebreaker to somebody else and get a 6 seed while Denver stays home.

chiefqueen · 12-24-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

See this is what im trying to figure out.

I dont know how to interpret this? I went under google.com and typed in NFL playoffs tie breaking procedures, and here is what i came up with.

Now let say there is a 3 way tie?

This is what it says: (Please read where it says,3 or more clubs

Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

I still waiting for the day a HC or GM is fired because they made the wrong call on a tiebreaker coin toss.

Discuss Thrower · 12-24-2006, 08:22 PM

The more likely scenario: Head Coach gets tossed for going for a FG instead of a TD in a blowout win to a horrible team in the season.

It would take an absolute freak of nature to get to the Points Scored/Allowed League rank alone. Apocalypse comes when a playoff berth is determined by a coin flip.

12-24-2006, 05:06 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I gotta a question....about tie breakers, it's not a complicated one, a simple one Lets say next week, 3 teams finish 9-7. I will say the Chiefs 9-7, Denver 9-7, New York Jets 9-7. So, Jacksonville goes 8-8. Tennesee goes 8-8. *How would they determine the tie breaker amongst the Chiefs, Broncos, and Jets? Note its 3 teams here. So what would happen?
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12-24-2006, 05:08 PM	#2
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs and Jets because the Chiefs have a better division record then Denver. Now, if Denver had played New York and won, then I think it goes to conference record between all three teams, or something.
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12-24-2006, 05:14 PM	#4
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Even though Denver beat NYJ? I guess that makes sense...but that's pretty weak. I'd be pissed if we were 9-7, beat a 9-7 team, missed the playoffs while the 9-7 team we beat got in...
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12-24-2006, 05:15 PM	#5
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $840478	Denver didn't play the Jets. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-24-2006, 05:22 PM	#8
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Idiot. You're not getting the point. Someone asked about tiebreakers...in a three-way tie, we would get in because we hold the tiebreaker over Denver. But then I said, what if Denver beat NYJ...who gets in that way? Since Denver would hold a tiebreaker over NYJ, and KC holds a tiebreaker over Denver... That's what we're talking about... You can replace NYJ and KC with TEN and SF if it helps you not be such a douche rag.
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12-24-2006, 05:48 PM	#9
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	See this is what im trying to figure out. I dont know how to interpret this? I went under google.com and typed in NFL playoffs tie breaking procedures, and here is what i came up with. Now let say there is a 3 way tie? This is what it says: (Please read where it says,3 or more clubs Two Clubs Head-to-head, if applicable. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.) Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Strength of victory. Strength of schedule. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. Best net points in conference games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss
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12-24-2006, 05:49 PM	#10
58-4ever The Collective Unconscious Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The OP Casino cash: $9450422	Where do the Bengals finish in your senario?
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12-24-2006, 08:22 PM	#14
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-340000	The more likely scenario: Head Coach gets tossed for going for a FG instead of a TD in a blowout win to a horrible team in the season. It would take an absolute freak of nature to get to the Points Scored/Allowed League rank alone. Apocalypse comes when a playoff berth is determined by a coin flip.
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