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Old 01-11-2008, 11:40 PM  
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Chiefs getting screwed by coin flips?
from gbnreport.com...

Oakland and Atlanta will flip for the 3rd and 4th picks. If Atlanta wins, the Falcons will pick 3rd, the Raiders 4th, while Kansas City will have the 5th pick. If Oakland wins the initial coin flip the Raiders will have the 3rd pick and Atlanta will then flip with Kansas City for the 4th and 5th picks.

Sounds simple enough so far. It occurred to us, though, that it would have been even simpler if the NFL had simply had Atlanta pick a number out of a hat, either a 3, 4, or 5. If Atlanta picks the three, they get the 3rd pick, Oakland would pick fourth and KC fifth. On the other hand, if the Falcons drew the 4, Oakland would pick third, Atlanta 4th and the Chiefs 5th. And of course if Atlanta drew the 5, Oakland would pick 3rd, Kansas City 4th and the Falcons 5th. In the end, though, we figured what does it matter, the odds of each team getting one of the three respective picks would be the same no matter which method was used.

Being a semi-retired statistician with an incurious mind, though, we worked the actual odds just to be sure. And here’s the kicker: they aren’t the same! Logic would dictate that since Atlanta has no competitive advantage over the other two teams in the deal, the Falcons odds of getting each of the three picks should be one in three or 33%. With the double flip method, though, the Falcons odds of getting the 3rd pick are actually 50%, while their odds of getting the 4th or 5th picks are each 25%. At the same time, Oakland’s odds of getting the third pick are 66% using the number out of the hat method, which again makes sense as they have the tie-breaker over one of the other teams in the mix (Kansas City), but only 50% using the double coin flips. Meanwhile, Kansas City has only a 25% chance of getting the 4th pick, and by extension a 75% of getting the 5th pick, using the NFL’s announced method, whereas the Chiefs would have a 33% of getting the 4th pick with the number in the hat scenario.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:42 PM   #2
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:43 PM   #3
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:44 PM   #4
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Just another case of "The Man" holding the Chiefs down.
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Old 01-11-2008, 11:45 PM   #5
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Well, this just sucks.

How is Carl going to explain this one?

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Old 01-11-2008, 11:47 PM   #6
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using the NFL’s announced method
Geez, will this never end?

They followed the method that has been in place for years. Following the long established procedure, I laid out the scenario during the game and annonced the exact sequence of coin flips the second the ball sailed through the up rights to give the Jets the victory.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:49 PM   #7
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I understand, Mr. cdcox. Completely.

But what happens if we call heads?

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Old 01-11-2008, 11:50 PM   #8
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I can honestly give a shit.

We're just gonna **** up and trade down anyway.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:52 PM   #9
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I can honestly give a shit.

We're just gonna **** up and trade down anyway.
What would be wrong with trading down? I would most definitely be OK with an extra 1st day pick.
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I understand, Mr. cdcox. Completely.

But what happens if we call heads?

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I'm partial to tails, especially if they use one of the 50-state quarters. So far I have 45 of them (every one through 2007) coming from the Philadelphia mint and 41 of them coming from the Denver mint. I see at least seven or eight P quaters for ever D. In fact I've picked up many of my D quaters on trips to KC. Coins don't mix very fast in our economy.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:54 PM   #11
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What would be wrong with trading down? ...
Nothing at all, unless we have to flip a coin to do it.

We ought to check with Mr. cdcox on that.

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Old 01-12-2008, 12:01 AM   #12
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What would be wrong with trading down? I would most definitely be OK with an extra 1st day pick.
Normally, I'd agree, and MAY change my stance if a lot of talented Juniors declare.

But this is a sad draft class. There are 5-7 studs and a huge drop off after that, at least at the positions we need the most. (OL, DT, LB, CB)

As it stands, I'd rather have the stud than 2 guys that are going to go a full round ahead of where they'd normally go in a decent class.
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Old 01-12-2008, 12:02 AM   #13
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Normally, I'd agree, and MAY change my stance if a lot of talented Juniors declare.

But this is a sad draft class. There are 5-7 studs and a huge drop off after that, at least at the positions we need the most. (OL, DT, LB, CB)

As it stands, I'd rather have the stud than 2 guys that are going to go a full round a head of where they'd normally go in a decent class.
We're in total agreement on that, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

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Old 01-12-2008, 12:03 AM   #14
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So when do they actually flip them?
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Old 01-12-2008, 12:04 AM   #15
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So when do they actually flip them?
At the Combine in February. (20th-26th)
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