For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

[BigVE]

To me that is not a real strong argument but it is sad if it's true for sure.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BigVE

To me that is not a real strong argument but it is sad if it's true for sure.

I can appreciate what you are saying being it is probably just another stupid video on the internet to you. But if you actually meet the people that have went through this exact same scenario and you hear their story over and over it will absolutely change the way you look at it. We live in a world where we want to believe everything our country does is right and justified. We live in a world where we want to believe the government is working in our citizens best interest. We live in a world where where when it comes to our children and their health we don't want to think about the unthinkable and the possibility that the doctors we take them to may be following a system they know is not in their best interest. Reality is completely different than the glossed over image we are being sold. You really don't have to try that hard to scratch the surface and see the ugly foundation. I think one of the things that amazes me the most is how committed most people are to this gloss. To do otherwise is very uncomfortable and requires a lot of time and effort as well as holding yourself accountible. It's too easy to take the PC path by comparison.

[BigVE]

Your obviously passionate about this subject. I am not and was not trying to be insensitive. I admit that I have NOT been informed or personally affected by autism. However, that video taken in that context from youtube offers no explanation or evidence as to what you were talking about other than a guy who I do not know asking a bunch of people in a room a couple of questions. Is there more? Is that just the end of an educational seminar or something? So, NO it's not just some stupid video on the net...to me it was a pretty random/vague video from the net. That's all.

[DaneMcCloud]

My children will NOT be immunized with every vaccine at the same time.

They will be immunized over a period of a year. Period.

There are pediatricians I've met with that don't feel it's an issue to immunize a child in one session.

Those doctors have been crossed off of my list.

If there's even a 1% chance of a child developing autism due to "all at once" immunization, that's enough for me to spread them out.

[stlchiefs]

BD,

You have what many think is a valid argument, but I don't feel this video does much for your argument. What is the context of the video? Who are these people? Is this a conference of people that all hold the same belief as you going into it? Is it a conference for parents of children with autism caused by vaccinations? There are many facts and arguments for your belief, I don't feel this is one of the better ones.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

Do you take your son to (or plan to)daycare or public schools? My experience is that they require vaccinations at both. Almost everywhere.

Just curious how you manage that constraint.

[pikesome]

The Centers for Disease Control,[28] the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences,[29] the UK National Health Service[30] and the Cochrane Library review[7] have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

And the research that started this was retracted by 10 of it's 12 authors.

That's a lot of science to the contrary.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BigVE

Your obviously passionate about this subject. I am not and was not trying to be insensitive. I admit that I have NOT been informed or personally affected by autism. However, that video taken in that context from youtube offers no explanation or evidence as to what you were talking about other than a guy who I do not know asking a bunch of people in a room a couple of questions. Is there more? Is that just the end of an educational seminar or something? So, NO it's not just some stupid video on the net...to me it was a pretty random/vague video from the net. That's all.

There is a bunch of stuff in the other thread. Basically nobody knows for sure why autism is skyrocketing. What we do know is that this massive increase has went up at exactly the same time as this big increase in vaccines. What we do know is that parents keep saying their kids were doing great and everything changed immediatley after a vaccine. In every case, no. In the mass majority? yes. That is why I posted the video because it echoes what I have experienced in meeting parents who have autistic kids.

Vaccines in general are something I think every parent should do some serious due diligence on. Have you ever looked into how they make these vaccines and what's in them? Heavy metals, Animal DNA, Formaldehyde, all kinds of shit. ****s up your immunity system. Check out the history of vaccines some time. Read anything that is not produced by big pharm, the AMA and CDC. I know Iowanian likes to clown me but like I said in the other thread. When I was in the ICU with my son some of the top pediatritions told me off the record they understood why I was doing what was doing. I am sure they are all witch doctors to Iowanian because they come from California but truth be know I think most great doctors resent the fact that the AMA and CDC dictate to them what they do with their clients. What's the point in even having a doctor? Maybe we should just report to big pharm. Hell all you have to do anymore is flip on a TV where their telling what drugs to tell your doctor you need these days. Here is a list of some crap that is on your vaccines. If your interested I will give you more.

Vaccine Contains
Anthrax (BioThrax) Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Benzethonium Chloride, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Inorganic Salts and Sugars, Vitamins
BCG (Tice) Asparagine, Citric Acid, Lactose, Glycerin, Iron Ammonium Citrate,
Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Phosphate
DTaP (Daptacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Casamino Acid, Dimethyl-betacyclodextrin,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol
DTaP (Infanrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldhyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80
DTaP (Tripedia)
Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate,
Thimerosal*
DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose, Thimerosal*
DTaP/HepB/IPV (Pediarix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin
Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldhyde, Monkey Kidney
Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast
Protein
DT (sanofi) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (multi-dose) or Thimerosal* (single-dose)
DT (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Formaldehyde or Formalin
Hib (ACTHib) Ammonium Sulfate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sucrose
Hib (PedvaxHib) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate
Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein
Hep A (Havrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5
Cellular Protein, Neomycin Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers,
Polysorbate
Hep A (Vaqta) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Bovine Albumin or Serum, DNA,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Sodium Borate
Hep B (Engerix-B) Aluminum Hydroxide, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal*, Yeast Protein
Hep B (Recombivax)
Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Amino Acids, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Potassium Aluminum Sulfate, Soy Peptone, Yeast
Protein
HepA/HepB (Twinrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acids, Dextrose,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Inorganic Salts, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin
Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers, Polysorbate 20, Thimerosal*,

[jidar]

ah.... the difference between correlation and causation. I'll never understand why people find this so hard to understand, but on the other hand I see stupid people confused by simple things all the time so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I've heard that many people believe mercury content in some vaccines may have contributed to autism. We made certain the mercury content had been eliminated from all our daughter's vaccines.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Do you take your son to (or plan to)daycare or public schools? My experience is that they require vaccinations at both. Almost everywhere.

Just curious how you manage that constraint.

What the AMA and CDC don't want you to know is that it is very easy to get your kid in school without them. That's just what they tell you. There is a form you can fill out that basically states it is against your religious beliefs and they can't deny you. That's regular school not pre-school. I know many parents who have chose not to vaccinate their kids and they they say they are having no problem. It's still a ways down the road for me so I haven't done all my due diligence in that area. I am a bit concerned when it comes to trying to get him into private schools. Then again because I am in California it may not be as hard as some other areas of the country. To tell you the truth my biggest concern is that they will pass a law making vaccinations mandatory period. BIG PHARM is currently trying to do it in different parts of the country. I could be wrong but I believe they did get it passed in Massachsettes or at least some part of it.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I've heard that many people believe mercury content in some vaccines may have contributed to autism. We made certain the mercury content had been eliminated from all our daughter's vaccines.

As will I if I choose to give him some vaccines after 2. If I do I will know what is in them and the chances of him ever getting the dreaded disease. I certainly will not put him on the 36 vaccine schedule. We have no idea what the long term effects of that many vaccines are and they are coming out with more every day. Understanding vaccines, their history, the industry and how they are produced is really becoming fascinating for me though. I am far from done but I will know everything I can before moving forward. One thing I can say after learning what I ahve is that I have zero faith in the AMA and CDC. They ARE big pharm. Hell after they knew they were infecting people with the SV 40 virus they wouldn't even recall what they had out there and let people get injected with the bad vaccine anyway. I was potentially one of those people 1962.

[BigVE]

Thanks for the info. I didn't keep up with all the pages of the other autism thread so this was new/news to me.

[jidar]

You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/

It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.