Is this kind of Draft repeatable?

Direckshun · 05-02-2008, 11:17 AM

Is there any chance we can have this kind of a Draft effort from the Chiefs every year?

What would you examine the odds as being?

DTLB58 · 05-02-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Is there any chance we can have this kind of a Draft effort from the Chiefs every year?

What would you examine the odds as being?

Quality yes, I think Kuharic will continue to lead us by rating the draft board.

Quantity no, unless we just keep trading players every year.

The Poz · 05-02-2008, 11:40 AM

The effort can be there but we'll need to be as shitty as we were last season, every season for good position.

patteeu · 05-02-2008, 12:51 PM

Maybe, but I don't think there's any way the Chiefs can achieve the same perceived success they had this year, year after year. Would people be as thrilled about this draft if it looked like this:

1) Brandon Alberts
2) Brandon Flowers
3) Jamaal Charles
4) Will Franklin
5) Brandon Carr
6) Barry Richardson
7) Brian Johnston

I'd imagine that there would be a lot of people who would consider it a solid (maybe great) draft, but it wouldn't encounter near-universal acclaim like the Chiefs actual draft did. And most of those picks are taken at the top of their respective rounds.

You can't get Dorsey's every year for two pretty obvious reasons: (1) Hopefully the Chiefs won't be drafting in the top 5 every year, and (2) you can't count on the teams ahead of you letting a guy like that slip every year.

patteeu · 05-02-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Quality yes, I think Kuharic will continue to lead us by rating the draft board.

I think Kuharic is probably a big contributor, but I think the biggest factor is the team's commitment to taking a longer term perspective and building through the draft. I think that's Herm. As the team improves, I'd expect that philosophy to evolve into the kind of "get the final pieces" mentality that was here when Vermeil's philosophy ruled the day. JMO.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-02-2008, 01:03 PM

I suspect that we'll have a chance to emulate a draft like that next year. We'll probably end up picking in the top 8. Now, we don't have a lot of valuable trade pieces, so the odds of getting another first are effectively nil, and we can't move LJ or Tony.

B_Ambuehl · 05-02-2008, 03:59 PM

This type of draft is duplicatable if you duplicate the number of picks. The following would be more realistic:

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Maybe, but I don't think there's any way the Chiefs can achieve the same perceived success they had this year, year after year. Would people be as thrilled about this draft if it looked like this:

1) Brandon Alberts
2) Brandon Flowers
3) Jamaal Charles
4) Will Franklin
5) Brandon Carr
6) Barry Richardson
7) Brian Johnston

Consider since he was selected at the top of the 2nd Flowers is basically another first round pick so in order to be completely realistic as far as expectations you'd have to eliminate him since you're not gonna be picking that high very often.

We could've had potentially the same type of draft numberswise next year if we would have traded down in the first and picked up New Orlean's first. We could then take that pick and trade either TonyG or Brian Waters (who will be bitching about a new contract soon enough) next offseason and at a minimum pick up an additional 3rd rounder.

keg in kc · 05-02-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Quality yes, I think Kuharic will continue to lead us by rating the draft board.

Quantity no, unless we just keep trading players every year.

Agree with that.

This draft was a perfect storm of sorts, a convergence of different factors that all seemed to come together and then go our way on Saturday.

You can say that they can still follow the board the way they did this year, and while I agree with that, too, I also believe the number of draft picks itself allowed them to draft that way. It's easier to ignore perceived needs early when you know you have 8 or 9 picks left.

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2008, 04:17 PM

Did I fall asleep and miss several seasons of high productivity? Let's go back and read what we were saying about Junior Siavii and Ryan Sims before we anoint this as a great draft.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-02-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Is there any chance we can have this kind of a Draft effort from the Chiefs every year?

What would you examine the odds as being?

Hmm. Well, they should be able to reproduce their C+ first day.

Direckshun · 05-02-2008, 05:39 PM

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Hmm. Well, they should be able to reproduce their C+ first day.

Oh MAN, I'm going to hear a LOT of that for god knows how long.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-02-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Oh MAN, I'm going to hear a LOT of that for god knows how long.

It's all in good fun dude.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-02-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Oh MAN, I'm going to hear a LOT of that for god knows how long.

Were you drinking that night? You've raved over the draft since then. What happened?

Hoover · 05-02-2008, 06:09 PM

I think so, but as mentioned above getting both Albert and Dorsey made it a slam dunk A+ draft.

The good news is the Chiefs FO has to feel like what they did worked and worked well. So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think we will see the same effort for years to come, no matter who the HC is as long as Kuharic is here. Thus we need to make him fat and happy.

Direckshun · 05-02-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

Were you drinking that night? You've raved over the draft since then. What happened?

The second day happened. I have loved every single pick from the second day, save Merritt. I think it will give us the depth we need for years.

I still contend the Albert pick was questionable. I would have taken Otah and kept our additional 5th. But if Albert starts at LT on day one, I'm wrong immediately. If Albert's RT and they eventually work him in at LT and he's good, I'm wrong. Flowers I really wasn't happy about because the Facebook stupidity showed immensely poor judgment that could come back to haunt this team. But if he keeps his nose clean, it's possible that we had a great first day as well. I just would have opted for Groves or Hardy.

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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Maybe, but I don't think there's any way the Chiefs can achieve the same perceived success they had this year, year after year. Would people be as thrilled about this draft if it looked like this: 1) Brandon Alberts 2) Brandon Flowers 3) Jamaal Charles 4) Will Franklin 5) Brandon Carr 6) Barry Richardson 7) Brian Johnston I'd imagine that there would be a lot of people who would consider it a solid (maybe great) draft, but it wouldn't encounter near-universal acclaim like the Chiefs actual draft did. And most of those picks are taken at the top of their respective rounds. You can't get Dorsey's every year for two pretty obvious reasons: (1) Hopefully the Chiefs won't be drafting in the top 5 every year, and (2) you can't count on the teams ahead of you letting a guy like that slip every year. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2161821	I think so, but as mentioned above getting both Albert and Dorsey made it a slam dunk A+ draft. The good news is the Chiefs FO has to feel like what they did worked and worked well. So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think we will see the same effort for years to come, no matter who the HC is as long as Kuharic is here. Thus we need to make him fat and happy.
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