Poll...Best/Worst Player, Biggest Surprise

dollar1 · 09-10-2001, 01:44 PM

Best - Snoop. Granted only one catch but it was a doozy.

Worst - Alexander. I would expect him to make 4 catches.

Surprise - Warfield. I know he got burned on the last play, but I expected him to get burned far more. He was also laying the wood.

Thoughts??

HC_Chief · 09-10-2001, 01:48 PM

Bartee got 'burned' on the last play, not Warfield. I think there as a coverage breakdown on that - I seriously doubt our coaches consciously counted on Bartee covering Tim Brown in man B&R w/o deep safety help. IMO, Woods blew it on that play - he was supposed to rotate over to help William.

Warfield had a pick return of 50+ for a TD - he did his job.

Speaking of 'picks', one of the long receptions that took place over Erik was due to that age-old cheat. Of course, if you don't get caught, it's not technically 'cheating'. :rolleyes:

Gaz · 09-10-2001, 01:49 PM

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Best: Stryzinski. Surpassed all expectations.

Worst: Green. Disappointed me consistently.

Surprise: Bush. I thought he was done, but I was wrong.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sorry to list the punter as the best player.
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shakesthecat · 09-10-2001, 01:58 PM

Best- Lew Bush. He always seemed to be around the ball, and made a couple nice open field tackles.

Worst- Green. He could have very easily had 2 or 3 more picks.
Hopefully, that's the worst game he'll have this year.
Alexander is a close second.

Suprise- Ray Crockett. Made all the play he was supposed to.

shakes-just starting to clear the cobwebs

HC_Chief · 09-10-2001, 02:04 PM

Best: John Tait - pass blocking was incredible! Green had excellent protection all day. Hardly touched from the back-side (the play where the guy went over his back came off-guard, not tackle). Tait also pulled on a sweep and DESTROYED his man. Unfortunately, Holmes got tripped-up... if not for that, he would have had a HUGE gain.

Worst: Todd Peterson. You make how much money? A kicker's duties are to kickoff & convert FGs/PATs. That's it! He can do one out of three consistently - we need to find a better kicker ASAP. Missed 30-40 yarders are inexcusable.

Biggest Surprise: Erik Warfield. I thought he played a great game.

dollar1 · 09-10-2001, 02:09 PM

No apology needed. I expected you to pick the waterboy!!

Ethelyn · 09-10-2001, 02:12 PM

Best - Lew Bush

Worst - Dick Vermeil

**Lzen** · 09-10-2001, 02:14 PM

Hey,
I wouldn't go crazy on Peterson just yet. Yes, the guy missed a FG that he should've made. No doubt about it. It's a 16 game season and, going soley on his history, I think he'll make a lot more crucial kicks than he'll miss. Also, I think William Bartee should've turned around and looked for the ball and he would've had a chance at an interception. Can you imagine if he would've done that? Chiefs win it in OT. Maybe, maybe not. Anyway, I don't know that Woods was supposed to be helping out. They were running a lot of 4 wides in the 2nd half and Woods may have had to cover another WR or the back coming out of the backfield. I'd have to look at the game tape to say for sure. I also was yelling at the TV about the Raiders picking Chiefs defenders, especially when they called the Chiefs for pass interference for it(definately BS).

**ChiefGator** · 09-10-2001, 02:22 PM

Ethelyn,

I'm curious. Why do you say "Dick Vermeil"?

- Mark

Ethelyn · 09-10-2001, 02:35 PM

Because of the way the offense looked at one time, like they didn't know what to do or how to react. The head coach should take responsibility for the sending in of the plays. Did you see that in the latter portion of the game the way people were going in and out on offense with no clue what to do? They looked completely oblivious as to what was going on.

**Rausch** · 09-10-2001, 02:44 PM

Best-Warfield. He did make mistakes, but it was his first game this year. That pick on play one to put the raiders behind by 7 changed the whole outlook of the game. I think that's why we lost by 3 and not 33....Warfield's int energized this team. It's a shame it wore off by the second half.

Worst-Saunders. I didn't expect as much from Green or Holmes as many probably did. But I expected Saunders to call a diverse and imaginative game plan that would confuse the Raiders and give this team a chance to win. It didn't confuse anyone and it didn't give us a chance to win. He's not a first time starter, he's not in a new offense, and he's not immune to criticism in game one like I think that others should be given.

Biggest surprise-Robinson and his defense. The defense is back boys, and if the offense ever catches up(Watters might=Elliott) this team might be dangerous. Lack of depth at wr and Mad Mike's injury hurt the special teams.

09-10-2001, 02:45 PM

Best: Warfield, Bush, TRich, Ricks (great hands, 1 questionable drop thrown behind him in coverage).

Middle: Green - had he not saved the last minute TD drive, he'd be in the worst. The next to last possession, he overthrew a WIDE open Alexander, and threw badly towards Gonzo blanketed in triple coverage. He also missed a read in the late 3rd quarter - Gonzo in the flat with MUCH running room. He held the ball WAY too long many times. O-line (pretty good pass protection, but run blocking SUCKED).

Worst: Peterson, Waters, Crockett (Rice caught 5 of his 8 balls going across the middle on 5-10 yard crossing routes. The fact that nobody covered him was bad, but nobody CRUSHED him and that makes me sick).

09-10-2001, 02:48 PM

Bush really suprised me...he was all over the field and made some nice open field tackles.

Warfield looked great in the first half, maybe 3rd quarter....I think those guys on D just got tired.....

the D line did a pretty good job against the run, but I wished they had more push up the middle.

Alexander must be hurting worse than we thought...If thats all the gas he has, put in Parker or someone next week and sit him down for a week or two.

Woods/Wesley were really laying some people out....as expected, but definitely appreciated.

***Bonus to Willis for KO on Beikert....He ran strait towards TR and then into willis on purpose.....awesome.

Ice Man · 09-10-2001, 03:33 PM

BEST = Snoop (O), Bush (D), Stryzinski (ST)

WORST = Green (O), Bartee (D), Special Team ('nuff said)

BIGGEST SURPRISE = DA not getting a catch all day

Packfan · 09-10-2001, 03:58 PM

Biggest Suprise: The pressure the defense put on Gannon

Best Player: Entire defensive line. Gannon was under pressure all day, they stripped him twice.

Worst Player: By far, Trent Green

I am not going to give you guys an "I told you so.." yet on Trent Green. Its way to early. But I will say that Green looked like a guy who hasnt played regularly for some time. He was pretty bad and only a courageous 4th and 10 play prevented him from being "awful". I thought Todd Collins could have played just as well as Green did.

When you force 4 turnovers(one for a TD), at home, you gotta win. No if, ands, or buts. IMO, the only way you would lose is if your QB plays poorly. Thats exactly what happened.

09-10-2001, 01:44 PM
dollar1 Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiawatha, KS Casino cash: $10004900	Poll...Best/Worst Player, Biggest Surprise Best - Snoop. Granted only one catch but it was a doozy. Worst - Alexander. I would expect him to make 4 catches. Surprise - Warfield. I know he got burned on the last play, but I expected him to get burned far more. He was also laying the wood. Thoughts??
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09-10-2001, 01:48 PM	#2
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Bartee got 'burned' on the last play, not Warfield. I think there as a coverage breakdown on that - I seriously doubt our coaches consciously counted on Bartee covering Tim Brown in man B&R w/o deep safety help. IMO, Woods blew it on that play - he was supposed to rotate over to help William. Warfield had a pick return of 50+ for a TD - he did his job. Speaking of 'picks', one of the long receptions that took place over Erik was due to that age-old cheat. Of course, if you don't get caught, it's not technically 'cheating'. :rolleyes: __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-10-2001, 01:49 PM	#3
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Good, bad and not-so-ugly... [font=Garamond][size=4] Best: Stryzinski. Surpassed all expectations. Worst: Green. Disappointed me consistently. Surprise: Bush. I thought he was done, but I was wrong. xoxo~ Gaz Sorry to list the punter as the best player. [/font][/size]
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09-10-2001, 01:58 PM	#4
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $1803833	Best- Lew Bush. He always seemed to be around the ball, and made a couple nice open field tackles. Worst- Green. He could have very easily had 2 or 3 more picks. Hopefully, that's the worst game he'll have this year. Alexander is a close second. Suprise- Ray Crockett. Made all the play he was supposed to. shakes-just starting to clear the cobwebs
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09-10-2001, 02:04 PM	#5
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Best: John Tait - pass blocking was incredible! Green had excellent protection all day. Hardly touched from the back-side (the play where the guy went over his back came off-guard, not tackle). Tait also pulled on a sweep and DESTROYED his man. Unfortunately, Holmes got tripped-up... if not for that, he would have had a HUGE gain. Worst: Todd Peterson. You make how much money? A kicker's duties are to kickoff & convert FGs/PATs. That's it! He can do one out of three consistently - we need to find a better kicker ASAP. Missed 30-40 yarders are inexcusable. Biggest Surprise: Erik Warfield. I thought he played a great game. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-10-2001, 02:09 PM	#6
dollar1 Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiawatha, KS Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz No apology needed. I expected you to pick the waterboy!!
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09-10-2001, 02:12 PM	#7
Ethelyn Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Houston Casino cash: $10004900	Best - Lew Bush Worst - Dick Vermeil __________________ Ethelyn L.
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09-10-2001, 02:14 PM	#8
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-689308	Hey, I wouldn't go crazy on Peterson just yet. Yes, the guy missed a FG that he should've made. No doubt about it. It's a 16 game season and, going soley on his history, I think he'll make a lot more crucial kicks than he'll miss. Also, I think William Bartee should've turned around and looked for the ball and he would've had a chance at an interception. Can you imagine if he would've done that? Chiefs win it in OT. Maybe, maybe not. Anyway, I don't know that Woods was supposed to be helping out. They were running a lot of 4 wides in the 2nd half and Woods may have had to cover another WR or the back coming out of the backfield. I'd have to look at the game tape to say for sure. I also was yelling at the TV about the Raiders picking Chiefs defenders, especially when they called the Chiefs for pass interference for it(definately BS). __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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09-10-2001, 02:22 PM	#9
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	Ethelyn, I'm curious. Why do you say "Dick Vermeil"? - Mark
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09-10-2001, 02:35 PM	#10
Ethelyn Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Houston Casino cash: $10004900	Because of the way the offense looked at one time, like they didn't know what to do or how to react. The head coach should take responsibility for the sending in of the plays. Did you see that in the latter portion of the game the way people were going in and out on offense with no clue what to do? They looked completely oblivious as to what was going on. __________________ Ethelyn L.
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09-10-2001, 02:45 PM	#12
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Best: Warfield, Bush, TRich, Ricks (great hands, 1 questionable drop thrown behind him in coverage). Middle: Green - had he not saved the last minute TD drive, he'd be in the worst. The next to last possession, he overthrew a WIDE open Alexander, and threw badly towards Gonzo blanketed in triple coverage. He also missed a read in the late 3rd quarter - Gonzo in the flat with MUCH running room. He held the ball WAY too long many times. O-line (pretty good pass protection, but run blocking SUCKED). Worst: Peterson, Waters, Crockett (Rice caught 5 of his 8 balls going across the middle on 5-10 yard crossing routes. The fact that nobody covered him was bad, but nobody CRUSHED him and that makes me sick).
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09-10-2001, 02:48 PM	#13
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Bush really suprised me...he was all over the field and made some nice open field tackles. Warfield looked great in the first half, maybe 3rd quarter....I think those guys on D just got tired..... the D line did a pretty good job against the run, but I wished they had more push up the middle. Alexander must be hurting worse than we thought...If thats all the gas he has, put in Parker or someone next week and sit him down for a week or two. Woods/Wesley were really laying some people out....as expected, but definitely appreciated. ***Bonus to Willis for KO on Beikert....He ran strait towards TR and then into willis on purpose.....awesome.
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09-10-2001, 03:33 PM	#14
Ice Man Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Parkville, MO Casino cash: $10004900	BEST = Snoop (O), Bush (D), Stryzinski (ST) WORST = Green (O), Bartee (D), Special Team ('nuff said) BIGGEST SURPRISE = DA not getting a catch all day
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09-10-2001, 03:58 PM	#15
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Biggest Suprise: The pressure the defense put on Gannon Best Player: Entire defensive line. Gannon was under pressure all day, they stripped him twice. Worst Player: By far, Trent Green I am not going to give you guys an "I told you so.." yet on Trent Green. Its way to early. But I will say that Green looked like a guy who hasnt played regularly for some time. He was pretty bad and only a courageous 4th and 10 play prevented him from being "awful". I thought Todd Collins could have played just as well as Green did. When you force 4 turnovers(one for a TD), at home, you gotta win. No if, ands, or buts. IMO, the only way you would lose is if your QB plays poorly. Thats exactly what happened. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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