How many college spread/shotgun QB's have been drafted in the 1st and 2nd?

Chiefnj2 · 03-02-2010, 01:31 PM

There is a lot of talk about how college spread QB's don't do well in the NFL. I was wondering, is their rate of failure any greater than non-spread QBs. Roethlisberger, Brees, Young, Smith, and Orton (3rd rounder) were all shotgun and/or spread QB's.

Who else I am missing? If you look at QB's the last 6 years do the spread QB's in the first 2 rounds have a higher failure rate than their pro style counterparts?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-02-2010, 01:33 PM

Well, you just named the only two successful shotgun/spread QB's in the history of the league, so you answered your own question.

Chiefnj2 · 03-02-2010, 01:39 PM

Ben and Drew are successes and Young is still somewhat questionable. You have Smith as a definite failure. In the last 5-6 years, in the first two rounds, there have been 4 shotgun/spread QB's taken and 2 are successes, 1 failure and 1 undecided??

Is that right? If so, why in the world has the spread QB taken so much criticism? Are those rates (albeit a very small %) much worse than pro style QBs?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 01:59 PM

Andre Ware, Akili Smith, and David Klingler were all drafted in the first round.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 01:59 PM

Rex Grossman

Chiefnj2 · 03-02-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Rex Grossman

That makes it:
2 success, 5 failures, 1 undecided (going back 10 years)?

Chiefnj2 · 03-02-2010, 02:25 PM

On the other side of the coin for success you have: McNabb, Culp, Pennington, Palmer, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers.

For bust you have: King, Carter, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Boller, Loman, Leinart, Jackson, Russell, Clemons, Quinn, Beck and Stanton.

Some guys on the fence: Vick, Kolb, Cutler.

From a quick look:
Spread: 2 success, 6 failures (include Leftwich), 1 questionable.
Pro-Style: 7 success, 14 failures and 3 questionable. (To be fair it looks like Ryan and Flacco will be a success).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 02:59 PM

Kolb is a shotgun spread guy.

Chiefnj2 · 03-02-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Kolb is a shotgun spread guy.

When Pennington was on Marshall were they shotgun as well?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

When Pennington was on Marshall were they shotgun as well?

I don't know, but they were when Leftwich was there.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 03:24 PM

Actually, you could count Steve McNair as a success. When he was at Alcorn State, they threw the ball 60-70 times a game.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 03:26 PM

Pat White is another spread QB, and he'll never amount to anything.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Ben and Drew are successes and Young is still somewhat questionable. You have Smith as a definite failure. In the last 5-6 years, in the first two rounds, there have been 4 shotgun/spread QB's taken and 2 are successes, 1 failure and 1 undecided?? Is that right? If so, why in the world has the spread QB taken so much criticism? Are those rates (albeit a very small %) much worse than pro style QBs? __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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03-02-2010, 01:59 PM	#4
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03-02-2010, 02:25 PM	#7
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	On the other side of the coin for success you have: McNabb, Culp, Pennington, Palmer, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers. For bust you have: King, Carter, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Boller, Loman, Leinart, Jackson, Russell, Clemons, Quinn, Beck and Stanton. Some guys on the fence: Vick, Kolb, Cutler. From a quick look: Spread: 2 success, 6 failures (include Leftwich), 1 questionable. Pro-Style: 7 success, 14 failures and 3 questionable. (To be fair it looks like Ryan and Flacco will be a success). __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Kolb is a shotgun spread guy. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Actually, you could count Steve McNair as a success. When he was at Alcorn State, they threw the ball 60-70 times a game. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Pat White is another spread QB, and he'll never amount to anything. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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