Combine Winners and Losers

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 01:56 PM

These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others

Winners:

OL:

Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not).

Bruce Campbell. Absolute ****ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills

Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought

Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2.

DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength.

Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams.

Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect.

Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted

Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder.

Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4.

LB:

Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE.

Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer.

Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline.

DB:

Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity.

Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed.

QB:

None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids.

WR:

Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone

Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed.

Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though.

RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question.

Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque.

Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option

TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare.

Losers:

QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a ****ing bum. Well, bums have heart...

Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts.

WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4")

Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock.

Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted

RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was.

TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year.

OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance.

DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass.

George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now.

Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2.

DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh

LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth.

Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more.

Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant.

DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff.

Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now

Frosty · 03-02-2010, 02:08 PM

I thought Montario Hardesty helped himself a lot, especially with his 40, considering his size.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...ck-on-the-rise

Titty Meat · 03-02-2010, 02:31 PM

No mention of CJ Spiller?

Saccopoo · 03-02-2010, 03:25 PM

Winners:

TE:
Dorin Dickerson, Pitt: Ran a faster 40 time than all but one of all the wide receivers at the combine. The second highest vertical of the entire combine. Was near the top in most of the drills. The new Kris Wilson.

Dennis Pitta, BYU: Absolutely annihilated the TE group in agility drills. Stronger than expected. Looked very fluid and natural in every drill/test.

OL:
Marshall Newhouse, TCU: Showed remarkable agility and athleticism. Helped himself a ton for teams looking for agile, pulling guards in schemes like the zone blocking that the Chiefs run.

Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale: Was at the top of nearly every drill for his position group. While he didn't face the level of competition of the other OL combine invites, he proved he was one of, if not the, most athletic of all of them. Top performing offensive line prospect at the combine. Considering the athletic prowess he display at his size (6'8", 315 lbs.), he'll rocket up the charts.

RB:
Montario Hardesty, Tennessee: Incredible combine, outperforming nearly everyone in his group. Near the top of every drill.

Toby Gerhardt, Stanford: Displayed a huge amount of athleticism and agility. The two "big backs" in Toby and Montario outdid most of the smaller, "speedy" backs in the vast majority of drills.

Joique Bell, Wayne State: Right near the top in every drill. Like Veldheer, he showed he belonged with the D1 guys and could outperform them.

WR:
Blair White, Michigan State: Tore it up in the majority of position drills, and was particularly effective in the cone and shuttle drills.

Chris McGaha, Arizona: Other than pulling a Brandon Spikes and not running in the 40, he was superlative in all the other drills.

Scott Long, Louisville: Owned the combine in his group finishing near the top in every drill.

DL:
Jerry Hughes, TCU: Showed the speed and burst at the combine that he did throughout his career on the field as well as excellent agility (first in the 20 yard shuttle in his group).

Everson Griffin, USC: Tore it up. If his on-field production was consistent, he'd be the top edge rusher in the draft.

Torrell Troup, Central Florida: Look surprisingly athletic and lean for as big as he's listed (6'3", 314 lbs.). Pretty smooth in all the drills.

LB:
Josh Hull, Penn State: Was the top performer in the 20 and 60 yard shuttle and was near the top in most other drills. Thoroughly outperformed his more highly regarded teammates Sean Lee and Novarro Bowman. Big enough and athletic enough to play inside in either scheme.

Dekoda Watson, Florida State: Like Hull, was near the top of every drill, showing excellent speed, agility and burst. Exact same size as Weatherspoon, and has played inside and outside during his career.

DB:
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest: Owned the cornerback group at the combine.

Eric Berry, Tennessee: Yep, he's the best safety in the draft, and put down on paper what everyone knew - that he's insanely athletic. A freak.

QB:
Tim Tebow, Florida: Didn't throw, but neither did any of the other top quarterbacks. But destroyed the rest of the combine showing his amazing athleticism. Tied a record for the highest vertical by a QB. Was first in four of the drills by a wide margin. Was said to have the best team interviews in memory.

Jarrett Brown, West Virgina: Most likely moved ahead of a lot of other quarterbacks in the draft that were being considered in the mid-rounds by participating fully and doing very well in all the drills.

Losers:
Biggest: Tie.

Rob Gronkowski, TE; Arizona: Was cleared medically to participate and was considered at the top of the TE class, but didn't do any drills. In an insanely deep TE class that is over-loaded with talent, I wouldn't even consider a guy with a back injury and who is scared to run drills against other guys in his position.

Rolando McClain, MLB; Alabama: WTF? Maybe the injury was real, but there were reports that he wasn't going to do the drills before the "injury" popped up. Shades of Andre Smith. What is with these Alabama guys?

Mike Williams, Syracuse: So much for his athleticism. I guess he'll have to fall back on his solid character and work ethic...

BWillie · 03-02-2010, 03:29 PM

I guess Dezmon Briscoe only put up 225 lbs 9 times. Ha. I'm stronger than him.

**Reaper16** · 03-02-2010, 03:34 PM

Joique Bell played for Wayne State, not Central Michigan.

Saccopoo · 03-02-2010, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Joique Bell played for Wayne State, not Central Michigan.

Whoops. You are correct sir. I will correct that immediately.

kepp · 03-02-2010, 03:45 PM

I've heard a couple analysts say that Javon Snead helped himself - showed great arm strength and good accuracy. Didn't see any of his workouts myself though.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-02-2010, 03:45 PM

Haden is really looking like dog shit out there.

KCChiefsMan · 03-02-2010, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007

I guess Dezmon Briscoe only put up 225 lbs 9 times. Ha. I'm stronger than him.

long arms

**the Talking Can** · 03-02-2010, 04:00 PM

Combine winners: guys who performed well

combine losers: guys who didn't perform well

just snark...no one blow a gasket

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 03-02-2010, 04:11 PM

ive always loved the cart mccoy nickname

god bless you, michael bennett and kellen heard

googlegoogle · 03-02-2010, 05:14 PM

News. Some had him projected for us.

OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ralphy Boy · 03-02-2010, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Winners:
TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

I've been saying for weeks that I want him on our team.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 05:39 PM

Davis is still really gifted, if he does fall into the 20's he'll be a great value pick.

03-02-2010, 01:56 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Combine Winners and Losers These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others Winners: OL: Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not). Bruce Campbell. Absolute **ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2. DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength. Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams. Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect. Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder. Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4. LB: Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE. Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer. Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline. DB: Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity. Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed. QB: None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids. WR: Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed. Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though. RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question. Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque. Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools. Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare. Losers: QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a **ing bum. Well, bums have heart... Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts. WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4") Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock. Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was. TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year. OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good. Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance. DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass. George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now. Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2. DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth. Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more. Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant. DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff. Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now
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