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tooge · 06-15-2010, 10:26 AM

Tebow continues to struggle with mechanics
Posted by Mike Florio on June 15, 2010 12:12 PM ET
We recently pointed out Peter King's article in the latest issue of Sports Illustrated, which features a close look at the ongoing effort to make Tim Tebow into an NFL quarterback.

Among other things, King's article shows that Tebow has been slipping into his old throwing motion during some practice reps.

As Mike Klis of the Denver Post points out, this fact conflicts with coach Josh McDaniels' insistence that Tebow has shown no problems with his mechanics.

We get the impression that, while the Broncos will continue to try to ensure that Tebow demonstrates proper mechanics at the NFL level, the team is willing to accept the fact that, from time to time, he'll rely on the muscle memory resulting from thousands and thousands of throws made with his prior motion.

But that doesn't mean the Broncos won't try to change him -- or that they'll pretend that the effort to do so already has been completed.

Valiant · 06-15-2010, 10:28 AM

Of course he is going to slip into his old style when the pressure is on.. It is his style, it is damn near impossible to just change suddenly..

Quesadilla Joe · 06-15-2010, 10:29 AM

It’s 30 minutes after the Denver Broncos completed a June minicamp practice on a warm day in the Rockies.

Future Hall of Famer and team leader Champ Bailey is relaxing near the entrance to the team’s locker room, about to enjoy the air conditioning and a post-practice meal.

Bailey suddenly points to a figure on a distant field. A solitary player remains at work.

It’s Tim Tebow.

“See that?” Bailey asks. “That’s Tebow. It’s long after practice and he’s still out there. That’s what he does. That’s not for show. He’s not just doing that because the media is here today. He does that every day.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ows-work-ethic

**Donger** · 06-15-2010, 10:29 AM

Do his "mechanics" really matter if he throws the ball on target?

POND_OF_RED · 06-15-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

It’s 30 minutes after the Denver Broncos completed a June minicamp practice on a warm day in the Rockies.

Future Hall of Famer and team leader Champ Bailey is relaxing near the entrance to the team’s locker room, about to enjoy the air conditioning and a post-practice meal.

Bailey suddenly points to a figure on a distant field. A solitary player remains at work.

It’s Tim Tebow.

“See that?” Bailey asks. “That’s Tebow. It’s long after practice and he’s still out there. That’s what he does. That’s not for show. He’s not just doing that because the media is here today. He does that every day.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ows-work-ethic

So it is true. He is struggling. I think everyone would practice as much as they could if they knew they were doing it wrong. "we're talking about practice"

Quesadilla Joe · 06-15-2010, 10:34 AM

From Peter King's article about the throwing motion.

Quote:

"Look at this," McDaniels said in his office, cuing up digital video from a rookie minicamp less than four weeks earlier. A close-up camera had recorded throw after throw by Tebow on his first day as a Bronco, and on each one his torso rotated more than 90 degrees as he released the ball. "Spinning like a top," McDaniels said. "Imagine you're throwing darts and your body is spinning like this. You can't have the control you want. How's your release point going to stay the same?" McDaniels stopped the tape, then put on video from the previous day. Here was Tebow, a hand towel stuffed in his right armpit to force his right arm to stay tight to his rib cage as he threw. The motion was more compact, faster, and he appeared to have lost no velocity from the first day's throws. "Now that looks like a quarterback," McDaniels said.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...92/3/index.htm

**Reaper16** · 06-15-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Do his "mechanics" really matter if he throws the ball on target?

His mechanics result in him not throwing the ball on target, though.

talastan · 06-15-2010, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Do his "mechanics" really matter if he throws the ball on target?

Yes where he releases the ball, how high his arm is held; all of these are important. Especially when you have NFL pass rushers reaching for the ball every time you drop back to pass.

ToxSocks · 06-15-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Do his "mechanics" really matter if he throws the ball on target?

This.

Honestly, I wanna see the guy fail because he's a Bronco. But really, Im sure he'll end up doing just fine in the NFL.

Some QB's aren't prototypical, but they get the job done because they have something else about them that allows them to be successful.

I think Tebow will be a success, as much as it pains me to say it, and I think he will either overcome his mechanics or find a way to be successful despite them.

POND_OF_RED · 06-15-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

From Peter King's article about the throwing motion.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...92/3/index.htm

So they're going to trot him out on the field with a towel stuffed in his armpit? That's going to be hilarious.

ToxSocks · 06-15-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan

Yes where he releases the ball, how high his arm is held; all of these are important. Especially when you have NFL pass rushers reaching for the ball every time you drop back to pass.

This is the downside to his mechanics much more than any accuracy issues. I think his accuracy will be fine, but I'd worry about defenders reaching for the ball or swatting it at the LOS

Quesadilla Joe · 06-15-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

His mechanics result in him not throwing the ball on target, though.

He completed 67% of his passes in the SEC for his career (5% points higher than Peyton Manning's comp % in college)

Quesadilla Joe · 06-15-2010, 10:43 AM

Tebow will learn whatever it is he has to. Peyton Manning couldn't outwork Tebow on Peyton's best day.

**Donger** · 06-15-2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan

Yes where he releases the ball, how high his arm is held; all of these are important. Especially when you have NFL pass rushers reaching for the ball every time you drop back to pass.

But that doesn't have anything to do with connecting with receivers/being accurate, right? Just how easily he'll be defended?

DJ's left nut · 06-15-2010, 10:44 AM

He's spent 15 years throwing the football one way and they're asking him to do it differently in a few months.

There's a reason this has never really worked.

Muscle memory is going to win out every time. Tebow was a stupid pick and will remain a stupid pick regardless of the tripe from Denver.

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tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $614112	Sup with Tebow Knowmo? Tebow continues to struggle with mechanics Posted by Mike Florio on June 15, 2010 12:12 PM ET We recently pointed out Peter King's article in the latest issue of Sports Illustrated, which features a close look at the ongoing effort to make Tim Tebow into an NFL quarterback. Among other things, King's article shows that Tebow has been slipping into his old throwing motion during some practice reps. As Mike Klis of the Denver Post points out, this fact conflicts with coach Josh McDaniels' insistence that Tebow has shown no problems with his mechanics. We get the impression that, while the Broncos will continue to try to ensure that Tebow demonstrates proper mechanics at the NFL level, the team is willing to accept the fact that, from time to time, he'll rely on the muscle memory resulting from thousands and thousands of throws made with his prior motion. But that doesn't mean the Broncos won't try to change him -- or that they'll pretend that the effort to do so already has been completed.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-860901	He's spent 15 years throwing the football one way and they're asking him to do it differently in a few months. There's a reason this has never really worked. Muscle memory is going to win out every time. Tebow was a stupid pick and will remain a stupid pick regardless of the tripe from Denver. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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