Hey Phobia and whoever else owns a construction business.

[El Jefe]

Hey those of you own a construction business could you give me a hand with a little Business Law project I need to do? This is the hypothetical scenario:

I am a small cosntruction business, a client has approached me about building a deck on their house. Said deck is 8' x 15'. I am supposed to develop a contract for the project. I am supposed to do any research and devise a contract that protects my (the business) interests. Does anyone have a common form they use they could send me to get a starting ground? I just need a template even to have a foundation. Hopefully someone can help me, thanks fellas!

[El Jefe]

Edit: If you aren't a construction business, but know the legalities I should use, feel free to chime in also. Thanks

[Jenson71]

Most Contract Law textbooks have sample contracts in an appendix in the back.

[LiveSteam]

Ask Bugeater. He does proposals & contracts ect. I own a small masonry bizz. & work mostly on hand shakes. Never been burned. If I do work for some one who is not a home builder or contractor. I will ask for 50% up front & the rest when the job is done. If they cry about 50% up front. Its a good sign they don't have the money to start with. & I just say no thanks.

[rageeumr]

I work for a small commercial contractor. I have templates for a few different contracts. Most are by the AIA (American Institute of Architects). They are reasonably balanced as far as protecting both the owner and the contractor. Let me know if you'd like copies.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Most Contract Law textbooks have sample contracts in an appendix in the back.

I wish mine did.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

We use AGC contracts. I could get you a draft, but of course it's about 20 pages long and way overkill for what you are looking for. Phobia might have something...see if he replies.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

We use AGC contracts. I could get you a draft, but of course it's about 20 pages long and way overkill for what you are looking for. Phobia might have something...see if he replies.

Yeah that may be a tad long LOL. I really am just needing a very cut and dry contract, but thanks man!

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Yeah that may be a tad long LOL. I really am just needing a very cut and dry contract, but thanks man!

Actually, this is a good exercise for a student to do on their own, without the help of professionals.

Just think through all the areas in building a deck, or providing a service like this, where there would be liability. Then, think of all the things that you are responsible for providing for the project, and what the client must provide - basically your scope of work. Tell them when you expect to get paid, how you expect to be paid, and when you will get started/completed. Don't make any guarantees that you don't have to, and make sure it makes sense to you.

Good luck

[Over-Head]

My signed Quote/work order has a few conditions ie: Payment COD 3-5 Buisness days, non payment after 14 liens are placed with etc. IF I don't manage to get a signed contract. Either way if it's on paper you at least have something to take to a laywer if the need arises.
What ever you use make sure you get THEIR signature somewhere on something.
UNLESS you pull a Richard Marcinco and send a dirt bag contractor trying to stiff ya a registered letter he has to sign for stating that reciept of said letter constitutes accecptence of all conditions etc...saved my ass a pile of cash last year

In most cases the dispute is over non payment and or quality in my profession.
As has been stated if the client ain't willing to cough up a sizable deposit, turn and walk.
Been burnt in the past, (nature of the beast in construction in these parts sometimes) but you can certianly take steps to avoid 99% of it.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Actually, this is a good exercise for a student to do on their own, without the help of professionals.

Just think through all the areas in building a deck, or providing a service like this, where there would be liability. Then, think of all the things that you are responsible for providing for the project, and what the client must provide - basically your scope of work. Tell them when you expect to get paid, how you expect to be paid, and when you will get started/completed. Don't make any guarantees that you don't have to, and make sure it makes sense to you.

Good luck

I think advice from a pro is a good idea, though. There's a line from a movie that goes something like, "There are 50 ways to **** things up. If you can think of 25 of them beforehand you're a genius."

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Stewie

I think advice from a pro is a good idea, though. There's a line from a movie that goes something like, "There are 50 ways to **** things up. If you can think of 25 of them beforehand you're a genius."

I figured the same thing, I'm not trying to short hand this project, I was just trying to get an idea from someone who knows firsthand. Our Prof said we could use those in the business to solicit ideas and information from.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Ask Bugeater. He does proposals & contracts ect. I own a small masonry bizz. & work mostly on hand shakes. Never been burned. If I do work for some one who is not a home builder or contractor. I will ask for 50% up front & the rest when the job is done. If they cry about 50% up front. Its a good sign they don't have the money to start with. & I just say no thanks.

I know this isn't the subject of the thread, but I've bought many thousands of dollars of real estate improvements and I'd never pay a dime up front. It's a good sign that the contractor doesn't have the money to fund his "business" (or what he's pretending is a business) and I just say, "No, thanks."

[Iowanian]

You basically need to define the scope of work, the deliverables, define things like who pays for materials, completion date and what happens when changes/modifications are made. Is there a concept design/blueprint or are you designing it? Is there an exit clause for both the contractor and client? If contract is terminated by either party, what happens?

Are you building it from treated lumber and the client expected it to be built from bristle cone pine and balsa?


I agree that this is a very good exercise in things you'll be dealing with in real life business.

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I know this isn't the subject of the thread, but I've bought many thousands of dollars of real estate improvements and I'd never pay a dime up front. It's a good sign that the contractor doesn't have the money to fund his "business" (or what he's pretending is a business) and I just say, "No, thanks."

Heh. Well, I'll be the first to admit I don't. Times are tough on contractors. I don't always ask for 50% but I schedule fair payment intervals to make sure I won't take a bath if the client goes batty on me.