Chiefs Commentary From a Pro-Bills Writer.

AdolfOliverBush · 01-21-2021, 12:48 PM

Maybe I should've posted this in the "Let's Talk About the Bills" thread, but whatever.

It's true that the Bills got some good players out of trading the 2017 10th overall pick to KC, but they'd hop into Doc Brown's Delorean and draft Mahomes in a heartbeat, dicks in hand.

Also, this gem: "Now they have a proven playoff winner in Allen and an all-star supporting cast to go with him and continue to build around." By his standards, Alex Smith is also a proven playoff winner.

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Let's make one thing clear before we go any further: The Buffalo Bills don't need to beat the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game Sunday night to somehow justify a 2017 draft-day trade that enabled the Chiefs to draft Patrick Mahomes, even if he is the best quarterback in the NFL now and on his way to becoming the best of all time.

Both teams did what they needed to do that day, and it couldn't have worked out better for either one.

The Chiefs were much closer to a finished product when they gave the Bills their first-round pick (No. 27) and a third-round pick (No. 91) in 2017 and a first-round pick in 2018 (No. 22) for the Bills' first-round pick (No. 10), which they used to select Mahomes.

Mahomes went on to become the league MVP and lead the Chiefs to their first Super Bowl title since Hank Stram ordered up the 65 toss power trap.

But the Bills were able to turn their haul into a plentiful bounty that includes cornerback Tre'Davious White, linebacker Tremaine Edmunds and left tackle Dion Dawkins.

They were not as close to a finished product as the Chiefs were then. But thanks in large part to the value received in that original trade, they are on equal footing now.

Besides, their choice of Josh Allen with the No. 7 pick in 2018, four spots after the New York Jets moved up to take Sam Darnold at No. 3, landed them a quarterback who has blossomed into one of the league's elite.

You don't need the best quarterback in the history of the world to win the Super Bowl. But you do need to put a team around one you can win with, which the Bills might not have been able to do had they stood pat and just drafted Mahomes that day.

Now they have a proven playoff winner in Allen and an all-star supporting cast to go with him and continue to build around.

White became an elite player almost immediately. Ditto for Edmunds. Both have been Pro Bowl selections in each of the last two seasons, and White was an All-Pro in 2019.

Dawkins needed a little more time to find his way, but eventually he emerged to become a key component of a team at or near its athletic peak.

"They got a good player in Patrick," coach Sean McDermott said, via ESPN, "and I think we made out as well with Josh, Tremaine and Tre'Davious -- however you kind of shape that, in terms of picks that became picks. I think both teams fared awfully well."

So before turning this contest into a referendum on that trade, try to think of how good the Bills would be right now with Mahomes but decidely lesser players at left tackle, cornerback and linebacker.

Only one team can win on Sunday, but both won on that day. That much is certain.

Regardless of Sunday night's result, this trade already has gone down in history as one both teams had to make.

Nick Fierro is the publisher of Bills Central. Check out the latest Bills news at www.si.com/nfl/bills and follow Fierro on Twitter at @NickFierro

lcarus · 01-21-2021, 12:57 PM

They can church it up all they want. They are just one of the many teams who passed on Michael Jordan/Lebron James/Tiger Woods/Muhammad Ali/Pelé/Babe Ruth.

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-21-2021, 01:03 PM

The delusion is strong here.

Chris Meck · 01-21-2021, 01:14 PM

before this season, I'd have laughed at this.

But you have to consider that nobody really knew what Mahomes would become. I mean, they just didn't. Not even Andy and Veach, who suspected that he could be very, very special but what he actually IS is just not even a realistic projection in 2017. It's just not.

The Bills got 3 pro bowl players, one of which is a really promising QB in his own right. Like an elite top 5 type guy very soon if not already.

Would I trade Mahomes for those 3 guys? Hell no.

But it's not like it didn't work out well for them too, all things considered.

They blew a chance to draft the GOAT-but would he be who he is now if they had? Or does Andy Reid have something to do with that too? I think so.

And anyway, that trade also has them in the AFCCG. So it's not like they totally blew it.

I'm sure if they had it to do again, they'd have taken Mahomes at #10, but it wasn't like they got screwed.

Hoover · 01-21-2021, 01:29 PM

I don't take any issue with that article. And lets not forget, Mahomes landing in KC with Andy Reid is what made the selection a home run. I think Patrick would have been good anywhere he went, but I'm not sure he would have been this special.

Dallas Chief · 01-21-2021, 01:49 PM

Hmmm no mention of them being on the rise because Brady moved on. Would they be here if he hadn’t? I’m guessing probably not.

MahomesMagic · 01-21-2021, 01:56 PM

My understanding is that Buffalo blew it because of ownership. Their owner fired Rex Ryan but kept the GM.

Then the GM led a coaching search where McDermott became the coach. He not only got the job he started working on stabbing the GM in the back and convinced the owner to give him total control.

So the 2017 draft is approaching and there is a power struggle taking place while the coach has a plan to hire his buddy from Carolina.

So McDermott decided not to look too seriously at QB because his people aren't in place.

Mahomes is called in and apparently wowed Buffalo ownership and some scouts but the coach wants a corner and to focus on QB in 2018.

This opens the door for KC as Buffalo is happy to stockpile assets for 2018.

Right after draft GM and all scouts are fired.

And we landed the Savior.

**wazu** · 01-21-2021, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Chief

Hmmm no mention of them being on the rise because Brady moved on. Would they be here if he hadn’t? I’m guessing probably not.

I'm guessing they would. The Brady Patriots were mediocre in 2019. I don't see them getting better. The Bills got a lot better.

BlackOp · 01-21-2021, 02:00 PM

I wonder if they will think the same when the QB they passed on...knocks them out on Sunday...and costs them a SuperBowl appearance.

"We got 3 good players"...tweeted from the couch in two weeks.

Eureka · 01-21-2021, 02:01 PM

Mahomes landed in a great spot with talent around him and a mentors to teach the game. Remember the reason the Chiefs had to trade up is because they were already a playoff team.

AdolfOliverBush · 01-21-2021, 02:07 PM

To paraphrase Tommy Lasorda: "Allen couldn't hit water if he fell out of a ****ing boat."

Pitt Gorilla · 01-21-2021, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

before this season, I'd have laughed at this.

But you have to consider that nobody really knew what Mahomes would become. I mean, they just didn't. Not even Andy and Veach, who suspected that he could be very, very special but what he actually IS is just not even a realistic projection in 2017. It's just not.

The Bills got 3 pro bowl players, one of which is a really promising QB in his own right. Like an elite top 5 type guy very soon if not already.

Would I trade Mahomes for those 3 guys? Hell no.

But it's not like it didn't work out well for them too, all things considered.

They blew a chance to draft the GOAT-but would he be who he is now if they had? Or does Andy Reid have something to do with that too? I think so.

And anyway, that trade also has them in the AFCCG. So it's not like they totally blew it.

I'm sure if they had it to do again, they'd have taken Mahomes at #10, but it wasn't like they got screwed.

They didn't get Allen in the Chiefs trade, just to be clear.

jettio · 01-21-2021, 02:17 PM

I suppose it is inevitable that some Chiefs fans will become assholes like some Patriots fans were assholes.

Just because Chiefs have Mahomes and a great future, does not mean that Chiefs fans predisposed to be assholes ought to be assholes.

Eureka · 01-21-2021, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jettio

I suppose it is inevitable that some Chiefs fans will become assholes like some Patriots fans were assholes.

Just because Chiefs have Mahomes and a great future, does not mean that Chiefs fans predisposed to be assholes ought to be assholes.

I think you're on to something. It is inevitable that some will be but most are even keeled.

Some Chiefs fans hating on Tom Brady more than Raider fans now.

**notorious** · 01-21-2021, 02:39 PM

League MVP, Superbowl MVP, host 3 AFC Championships in a row, won one and have a great chance to repeat.

But hey, Buffalo got some pieces. No way in hell do I trade Mahomes for those pieces, though.

01-21-2021, 12:48 PM
AdolfOliverBush Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Casino cash: $5920400	Commentary From a Pro-Bills Writer. Maybe I should've posted this in the "Let's Talk About the Bills" thread, but whatever. It's true that the Bills got some good players out of trading the 2017 10th overall pick to KC, but they'd hop into Doc Brown's Delorean and draft Mahomes in a heartbeat, dicks in hand. Also, this gem: "Now they have a proven playoff winner in Allen and an all-star supporting cast to go with him and continue to build around." By his standards, Alex Smith is also a proven playoff winner. https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/co...-be-put-to-bed Let's make one thing clear before we go any further: The Buffalo Bills don't need to beat the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game Sunday night to somehow justify a 2017 draft-day trade that enabled the Chiefs to draft Patrick Mahomes, even if he is the best quarterback in the NFL now and on his way to becoming the best of all time. Both teams did what they needed to do that day, and it couldn't have worked out better for either one. The Chiefs were much closer to a finished product when they gave the Bills their first-round pick (No. 27) and a third-round pick (No. 91) in 2017 and a first-round pick in 2018 (No. 22) for the Bills' first-round pick (No. 10), which they used to select Mahomes. Mahomes went on to become the league MVP and lead the Chiefs to their first Super Bowl title since Hank Stram ordered up the 65 toss power trap. But the Bills were able to turn their haul into a plentiful bounty that includes cornerback Tre'Davious White, linebacker Tremaine Edmunds and left tackle Dion Dawkins. They were not as close to a finished product as the Chiefs were then. But thanks in large part to the value received in that original trade, they are on equal footing now. Besides, their choice of Josh Allen with the No. 7 pick in 2018, four spots after the New York Jets moved up to take Sam Darnold at No. 3, landed them a quarterback who has blossomed into one of the league's elite. You don't need the best quarterback in the history of the world to win the Super Bowl. But you do need to put a team around one you can win with, which the Bills might not have been able to do had they stood pat and just drafted Mahomes that day. Now they have a proven playoff winner in Allen and an all-star supporting cast to go with him and continue to build around. White became an elite player almost immediately. Ditto for Edmunds. Both have been Pro Bowl selections in each of the last two seasons, and White was an All-Pro in 2019. Dawkins needed a little more time to find his way, but eventually he emerged to become a key component of a team at or near its athletic peak. "They got a good player in Patrick," coach Sean McDermott said, via ESPN, "and I think we made out as well with Josh, Tremaine and Tre'Davious -- however you kind of shape that, in terms of picks that became picks. I think both teams fared awfully well." So before turning this contest into a referendum on that trade, try to think of how good the Bills would be right now with Mahomes but decidely lesser players at left tackle, cornerback and linebacker. Only one team can win on Sunday, but both won on that day. That much is certain. Regardless of Sunday night's result, this trade already has gone down in history as one both teams had to make. Nick Fierro is the publisher of Bills Central. Check out the latest Bills news at www.si.com/nfl/bills and follow Fierro on Twitter at @NickFierro
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01-21-2021, 12:57 PM	#2
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1989887	They can church it up all they want. They are just one of the many teams who passed on Michael Jordan/Lebron James/Tiger Woods/Muhammad Ali/Pelé/Babe Ruth.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1415090	before this season, I'd have laughed at this. But you have to consider that nobody really knew what Mahomes would become. I mean, they just didn't. Not even Andy and Veach, who suspected that he could be very, very special but what he actually IS is just not even a realistic projection in 2017. It's just not. The Bills got 3 pro bowl players, one of which is a really promising QB in his own right. Like an elite top 5 type guy very soon if not already. Would I trade Mahomes for those 3 guys? Hell no. But it's not like it didn't work out well for them too, all things considered. They blew a chance to draft the GOAT-but would he be who he is now if they had? Or does Andy Reid have something to do with that too? I think so. And anyway, that trade also has them in the AFCCG. So it's not like they totally blew it. I'm sure if they had it to do again, they'd have taken Mahomes at #10, but it wasn't like they got screwed.
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01-21-2021, 01:29 PM	#5
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2191821	I don't take any issue with that article. And lets not forget, Mahomes landing in KC with Andy Reid is what made the selection a home run. I think Patrick would have been good anywhere he went, but I'm not sure he would have been this special.
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01-21-2021, 01:49 PM	#6
Dallas Chief Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jupiter, FL. Casino cash: $-1234727	Hmmm no mention of them being on the rise because Brady moved on. Would they be here if he hadn’t? I’m guessing probably not.
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01-21-2021, 01:56 PM	#7
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $300400	My understanding is that Buffalo blew it because of ownership. Their owner fired Rex Ryan but kept the GM. Then the GM led a coaching search where McDermott became the coach. He not only got the job he started working on stabbing the GM in the back and convinced the owner to give him total control. So the 2017 draft is approaching and there is a power struggle taking place while the coach has a plan to hire his buddy from Carolina. So McDermott decided not to look too seriously at QB because his people aren't in place. Mahomes is called in and apparently wowed Buffalo ownership and some scouts but the coach wants a corner and to focus on QB in 2018. This opens the door for KC as Buffalo is happy to stockpile assets for 2018. Right after draft GM and all scouts are fired. And we landed the Savior.
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01-21-2021, 02:00 PM	#9
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2575267	I wonder if they will think the same when the QB they passed on...knocks them out on Sunday...and costs them a SuperBowl appearance. "We got 3 good players"...tweeted from the couch in two weeks.
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Eureka C Chiefs once a year! Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cali Casino cash: $-1313903	Mahomes landed in a great spot with talent around him and a mentors to teach the game. Remember the reason the Chiefs had to trade up is because they were already a playoff team.
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01-21-2021, 02:17 PM	#13
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4504930	I suppose it is inevitable that some Chiefs fans will become assholes like some Patriots fans were assholes. Just because Chiefs have Mahomes and a great future, does not mean that Chiefs fans predisposed to be assholes ought to be assholes. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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